Suunto 7

freeheeler

@silentvoyager
then they can remove it with the next FW update… I don’t need Strava effort

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@silentvoyager S9 is still the flagship and Suunto Plus is underdev 100%

Suunto Plus (the marketing term) one could call just apps. I can via a toolkit atm send apps to my S9 but but but that toolkit is very far away from being public / decent API / Documentation stage.

DmitryKo

@NickK I get your point that Suunto 7 is targeted at billions of casual users and not a small group of ‘ultra runners’. Then again, there are a handful of similar SnapDragon Wear 2100/3100 devices already on the market - are these potential buyers willing to pay twice the price for the Suunto brand and analysis features they don’t really need?

I simply see it as the continued abandonment of their core user base, which started with the winding down of MovesCount and changeover to Sports Tracker which resulted in a loss of some features - and now what’s left of the former functionality is abandoned yet again, to be reimplemented on yet another platform with a different round of simplifications? Well, good luck with that attitude.

Brad_Olwin

@DmitryKo said in Suunto 7:

I simply see it as the continued abandonment of their core user base, which started with the winding down of MovesCount and changeover to Sports Tracker which resulted in a loss of some features - and now what’s left of the former functionality is abandoned yet again, to be reimplemented on yet another platform with a different round of simplifications? Well, good luck with that attitude.

Huh? Are you implying the development on the S9 is dead? And, that no S9 successor is planned? I seriously doubt that. I am in the minority but I prefer SA over MC/MC app. I can draw and sync routes instantaneously, I can sync offline and I can easily upload to the 3rd party sites that I use for analysis. Soon we will have waypoints/POI and the only addition I would like to have back is planned moves. My hope is fantastic S7 sales aids the development of great watches for the smaller core base of us ultra runners.

@DmitryKo I’m leaning to either S7 getting a nice juicy price cut later in the year, or the current crop of S7 watches merely testing waters for releases down the line that would be more differentiated and have a variety of price points. Also, we are almost a month away from the official delivery. More features may still be added and a mind blowing roadmap may still be published detailing when S7 gets sensors, additional running features like route guidance and running power, FirstBeat metrics, and on.

Let’s not forget both COROS and Vantage came out fairly thin on features and added a lot after 12-18 months in the market.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@DmitryKo so you would prefer Suunto to only serve their core audience, shrink and die… As an alternative scenario to your claims.

Apparently according to your line of thinking, Suunto closes movescount etc because they are like:

Oh dear we are making so much money this is so scalable, we don’t need the extra cash kill it…

One thing I don’t and will never get. And rightfully it has been discussed many times.

Suunto’s fear is it’s own customers. Some really clever person said this once here.

FYI I do data analysis for Suunto. That is my work in $$

Saketo Nemo

@Brad_Olwin said in Suunto 7:

La mia speranza è che le fantastiche vendite S7 aiutino lo sviluppo di grandi orologi per la base più piccola di noi ultra runner.

Fenr1r

@Brad_Olwin Cores can shift. Once upon a time, hikers and backpackers were the core (and possibly only) base for Suunto (on land). Relatively cheap to maintain, that primary focus was discarded, existing functions deprecated.

Suunto might dominate among ultra runners today but a) that does not necessarily hold true against competition for tomorrow and b) the ardency of support among such primo athletes may not be as core (to Suunto’s time-management priorities) as the sheer numbers of sales elsewhere and their possibly fast-changing priorites.

As the more numerous ultras supplanted the backwoods roamers, so the demands of the even greater hordes (Suunto hopes) of WearOS folk may just supplant the time and effort they have for those long endurance specimens such as yourself.

But for today, you have two spiffy Suuntos to enjoy.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Fenr1r yup.

Also what one should think is that if, from that small base lets say, one needs to bring more things to them, then well, he needs also to burn more.

Trust me, I would not be with Suunto, if Adventure was not in the DNA.

Apparently one would not believe me but well here is a very good argument. Come to visit. Join the summit.

The people that work at Suunto are very very close tight to adventure.

Feel free to ask for some of the public profiles (twitter,strava etc) and even “spy” on testing etc.

Bulkan

@NickK Yep, I will stop here to don’t go off topic… you know…

I like the Suunto 7 excepts the sync with google fit and not with suunto app as a hub to share android or iOS.

The screen is gorgeous. The maps… I only can dream with maps in the next Suunto watches. The garmin maps are useless for me. The waypoints are so tiny than aren’t useful.

I remember some friends saying they wanted and apple watch but with the hardware of suunto. Well, now they have the hardware, I hope the software would be solid.

Bulkan

@oeagleo You are missing the ouraring hahaha… Seriously, I like to keep all my heart data and the suunto tracking is frustrating for me. I would like to keep the time in bed in Health in iOS.

Bulkan

@Brad_Olwin Don´t play with my heart… waypoints soon, please don’t…

@Bulkan said in Suunto 7:

@NickK I like the Suunto 7 excepts the sync with google fit and not with suunto app as a hub to share android or iOS.

I’m willing to bet this is a temporary solution to get the watch out sooner. And by sooner, I mean now. Start generating buzz when there’s CES going. Who knows? Maybe there are other surprises from competitors Suunto wants to front-run?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Bulkan that indeed as well I dont know… (Applehealthkit)

Luís Pinto

@TELE-HO me neither but is always inactive by default so no worry.

DmitryKo

@Brad_Olwin said in Suunto 7:

My hope is fantastic S7 sales aids the development of great watches for the smaller core base of us ultra runners

We shall see. From my previous experience, a new Suunto platform means impending end of active development for their current platform.

@NickK said in Suunto 7:

More features may still be added and a mind blowing roadmap may still be published

Suunto is known to continuously underdeliver on software side, so I wouldn’t count on exciting new features if they are not explicitly promised at the time of announcement. The initial list is quite underwhelming, the most notable omissions being no external sensors and watch face customizeability.
Everything else that’s exciting comes from WearOS and not the Suunto application/platform - and while WearOS could be tweaked to offer decent battery life, given enough development effort from Google and new hardware from Qualcomm, it’s just not there yet.

Bulkan

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Yes, it is AppleHealthkit, Suunto app sends the heart data but not the sleeping data, I don’t know why but is the only app of sports in iOS than have this approach. If the sleep data is in suunto app, why don’t send it to healthkit? Then I could turn off the 24/7 tracking in my s9b

Fenr1r

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Not to dismiss your (or the Finns’ legendarily demonstrative) passion at all but “Adventure” is so subjective. Parachuting? Pushing yourself to the edge of physical exhaustion? Trying a new flavor of yoghurt?* Putting yourself days from the nearest electricity or phone signal … but merely walking there? Entering the WearOS market?

It would be vindictive (and probably short-sighted) to wish Suunto to “shrivel and die” but when the company’s idea of “Adventure” moves away from their conception, quite a few alt-adventurers will probably laugh wryly and move to Garmin.

Let not Suunto’s “Adventure” be a run around the park, listening to tracks, updating Facebook and NFC-ing a latte. Nothing wrong with most of that but “adventure”?

Used a lot in food advertising. And Camel cigarettes - but at least there was actually an element of personal risk.

[Edited to change “edge of physical exertion” to “edge of physical exhaustion”. I’m not quite that lazy, honestly.]

DmitryKo

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I would be very grateful if you refrain yourself from employing straw man argument in the future. Thank you.

Nevertheless I appreciate your assumption that Suunto’s dissatisfied customers are the greatest threat to the company. This may explain why maintaining their current user base is not a priority for them.

Suunto is known to continuously underdeliver on software side,

FirstBeat metrics added to S9 even though they were never-ever promised, simply because people whined real load around these forums. Not to mention workout targets enhancements, time field on all screens, graphic screens in sport mode customization that wasn’t there in the days of MC, GLONASS/Galileo support, and many other things none of which came when S9 was launched.

The initial list is quite underwhelming, the most notable omissions being no external sensors and watch face customizeability.

True on sensors though again, it’s too early. Watch face customization though, seriously? This is a bone fide WearOS watch. You can install, run, and customize any watch face supported on WearOS to the extent possible on WearOS. Or develop your own. Also, check out DCR’s walkthrough on YT where he clearly shows that even the new heatmap watch face from Suunto can be customized.

Everything else that’s exciting comes from WearOS and not the Suunto application

OK, the hate is strong with you. You went full dark side.

Offline maps are part of WearOS? Automatic download of current location maps for offline use is WearOS? Popularity heatmaps you can use to plan your route? That spiffy workout app that’s a good chunk of the entire S9 functionality? Automatic flow of your workouts to Suunto app and all connected services? Maps inside workout screens including back-to-start navigation? Additional options like sunlight boost and maps rendering?