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    • freeheeler
      freeheeler @nseslija last edited by

      @nseslija
      at the moment I have a rather inactive time… but I think I will work with Strava/Elevation and QS.
      In QS I miss the comparison between years or month (or I did not find them yet) and the activity description… and maybe selection in the graph to show parameters applicable for the selection 🙂
      all other values that I like are there 👌

      S9B X-Alps
      SA on Pixel 4a 5G / and on Chromebook

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      • Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
        Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @freeheeler last edited by Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

        @TELE-HO just use all (on the search) you will get a sort by years to compare.

        Screenshot 2019-11-06 at 10.07.15.png

        The above are fake data 🙂 dont get excited

        Android Developer @Suunto
        Creator of Quantified-Self.io
        youtube.com/c/dimitrioskanellopoulos

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        • freeheeler
          freeheeler @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos last edited by

          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
          nice!! 🙂 I’ll try that, thank you!
          so far my history did not get imported, maybe I did something wrong, it’s still dating back to 13.Jan 2018, nothing before… but I guess it can take some time, right?

          S9B X-Alps
          SA on Pixel 4a 5G / and on Chromebook

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          • freeheeler
            freeheeler @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos last edited by

            @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
            alright, and select date type, of course 👍

            c239c932-cb06-477a-9e59-184613bc48a8-image.png

            S9B X-Alps
            SA on Pixel 4a 5G / and on Chromebook

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            • Mff73
              Mff73 Platinum Member @freeheeler last edited by

              @TELE-HO said in Nov transition update:

              @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
              alright, and select date type, of course 👍

              c239c932-cb06-477a-9e59-184613bc48a8-image.png

              fake data as well 😂

              Suunto Spartan Ultra (since 2016) FW: 2.8.24
              SA: 4.42+
              Android 10, Galaxy S10e

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              • freeheeler
                freeheeler @Mff73 last edited by

                @Mff73
                😂

                S9B X-Alps
                SA on Pixel 4a 5G / and on Chromebook

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                • freeheeler
                  freeheeler @Mff73 last edited by

                  @Mff73 said in Nov transition update:

                  fake data as well

                  now it’s correct… sorry, I’ve still had one comparing activity in QS from my A3PS.
                  I noticed that merged activities don’t add more meters to the summary which is a great solution! Either you just want to compare or you want to merge because you want to see several activities within one view.
                  I could recommend that to my sister in law who cycled all the way from Switzerland to the Black Sea thru Greece and Italy back home…

                  31593243-499c-4a8b-b1a3-2fc87aef1586-image.png

                  S9B X-Alps
                  SA on Pixel 4a 5G / and on Chromebook

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                  • Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                    Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @freeheeler last edited by

                    @TELE-HO there is even a setting if you want the merges to count towards.
                    In QS an “event” consists from many activities.
                    If you have merged 2 activities that event is a merge.

                    But it could have been a multisport and that would have counted correctly.

                    You can edit a merged event and remove the “merge” flag and it will count.

                    FYI

                    Android Developer @Suunto
                    Creator of Quantified-Self.io
                    youtube.com/c/dimitrioskanellopoulos

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                    • tomviv
                      tomviv Bronze Member @freeheeler last edited by

                      @TELE-HO thx!!

                      X10, Vector, Ambit2 (current), Suunto 9 Baro + HR smart sensor (current) & SA 1.60.0 beta for IOS
                      Walking, hiking, running, climbing & mountaineering.

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                        jw cou Silver Members @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos last edited by

                        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos is there a way to filter by activity type (e.g only see the elevation per year for running)?

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                        • Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @jw cou last edited by

                          @jean-william-cousin that is a superb suggestion and a little work is being made already.

                          I will be moving a search/activity selection on the date search there, should come with the v5 version as it aint so easy.

                          So basically you want:

                          a) Create the daterange / grouping
                          b) Get the stats
                          c) filter on sport, or keyword

                          Android Developer @Suunto
                          Creator of Quantified-Self.io
                          youtube.com/c/dimitrioskanellopoulos

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                            jw cou Silver Members @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos last edited by

                            @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos yes sir. And a pizza Regina with extra cheese please 😅

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                            • Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                              Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @jw cou last edited by

                              @jean-william-cousin Soon to come now building stackable charts
                              Screenshot 2019-11-06 at 12.57.10.png

                              Android Developer @Suunto
                              Creator of Quantified-Self.io
                              youtube.com/c/dimitrioskanellopoulos

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                              • fejker
                                fejker Gold Members @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos last edited by

                                @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos this should be the Suunto WEB-end. I like it a lot and would be prepared to pay for the service.

                                SHUT UP LEGS!
                                -Jens Voigt

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                                • freeheeler
                                  freeheeler @fejker last edited by

                                  @fejker
                                  … my wife will kill me… 😉
                                  this QS is getting improved at a nice pace and into the right direction 👌 excellent!!

                                  S9B X-Alps
                                  SA on Pixel 4a 5G / and on Chromebook

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                                  • andrasveres
                                    andrasveres last edited by andrasveres

                                    I don’t get it. Why Suunto can’t just make a desktop/mobile companion application for all of it’s watches that simply will be used for: (1) managing watch features/settings and (2) synchronize exercises to 3rd party web services? No cost of maintaining a web service and they could focus on product (hardware and software) improvements.

                                    Suunto Ambit3 Vertical 1.1.22
                                    Suunto app 2.13.0 (9676) on iOS 15.5
                                    SuuntoLink 4.1.6 on macOS 12.4

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                                    • 314BMI
                                      314BMI last edited by

                                      So moveslink2 devices are going to be supported and moveslink not.
                                      That’s a pity for my old, good Quest 😞

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                                      • Adam Lantos
                                        Adam Lantos last edited by

                                        Honestly it’s a shame. For example, my A3P is now stuck in daylight savings mode, including sunrise/sunset time. Suunto App doesn’t synchronize time, and even getting GPS lock on the watch doesn’t update the time for some reason, even with GPS timekeeping on. Small things like that spoils the whole experience of owning a top of a range adventure watch.

                                        Not to mention I’ve upgraded from A1 to A3P specifically to get BT sync, since I don’t have windows/mac on hand on a regular basis. So killing the mobile app basically rendered my A3P useless for hiking.

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                                        • freeheeler
                                          freeheeler @Adam Lantos last edited by

                                          @Adam-Lantos
                                          did they clearly state that A3PS can not be synced to SA at all? Or was the whole cable and “new MC” thing a generalization for ambit?

                                          S9B X-Alps
                                          SA on Pixel 4a 5G / and on Chromebook

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                                          • Adam Lantos
                                            Adam Lantos @freeheeler last edited by

                                            @TELE-HO SA works well for downloading activities, in fact, it’s better than MC. But not being able to upload a route to the watch is a deal breaker, and renders half of the watch functionality useless. Ambit1/2 users won’t lose any functionality yet, but A3 users.do.

                                            The point is that A3P is marketed as an outdoor/adventurer watch, and claiming that it has mobile connectivity (via SA) is seriously misleading, when one can’t customize the watch, use custom apps, or upload routes to it without a desktop computer at all.

                                            I’m happy using any third party or open source solutions, and I hope Suunto come to their senses and make the sync protocol documentation or even MC client source code public, so dedicated people can fix this mess.

                                            (I also suspect that the reason they are pulling the app is due to some sort of licensing/copyright issue, no sane company would just delete the only app that enables connectivity to one of their best products. But I digress.)

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                                            • freeheeler
                                              freeheeler @Adam Lantos last edited by

                                              @Adam-Lantos
                                              my feeling is that it is not yet possible to update these things for ambit3…
                                              ambit3 is too new to be pushed aside in my opinion.

                                              S9B X-Alps
                                              SA on Pixel 4a 5G / and on Chromebook

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                                                dsc1401 @freeheeler last edited by

                                                @TELE-HO "gently convince customers to upgrade"😀
                                                Suunto’s problem lately is the change of mentality to a Silicon Valley greed type. This used to be a brand for the hardcore divers and sport enthusiats with gear that lasts and stable, full of features/data software. Since the launch of Spartan the decline is evident with flimsy devices and now even the software shrinked in order to save some money for the shareholders.
                                                So you’re telling me that after I spent one grand on a DX I need now to upgrade to have my dives on a public platform where I can share it with friends and the comunity in general? And after I spent another £600 on a Spartan I need to use some 3rd party website to build a route and then transfer it into the SA?
                                                Suunto doesn’t realize that there is fierce competition out there and if I feel attached of my DX, I don’t feel the same about the disappointing Spartan at all and I’ll ditch it for a Polar as soon as the MC webservice will cease to exist in the shape it’s now

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                                                  rob_nz last edited by

                                                  So is this definitive that Ambit 3 will not have the ability to change watch settings from Suunto App? We’ll have to use what remains of the Movescount website and a cable connection?

                                                  Why not? That functionality is there for Spartan and S9 already. It can’t be that hard given the code is already written for Movescount app and the connectivity layer is already set up for the Suunto App.

                                                  Additionally, what happens to Ambit 3 Workouts? The only way to manage them currently is via the MovesCount app. You can’t do it on Movescount web or on the watch itself.
                                                  Will that be added to the stripped down website at least?

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                                                    A Former User @rob_nz last edited by

                                                    @rob_nz said in Nov transition update:

                                                    Why not? That functionality is there for Spartan and S9 already. It can’t be that hard given the code is already written for Movescount app and the connectivity layer is already set up for the Suunto App.

                                                    Because the configuration of Spartan and S-line is much simplified compared to Ambit line. For newer watches only sport mode displays can be customized, and the set of fields and the possible display layouts are all completely different. For Ambit line, for example, there possible to select up to 4 different fields displayed in the bottom row on each display (and then rotate through them by pressing the View button). That means that the sport mode displays configuration is quite different between the two series. Furthermore for Ambit watches the configuration includes setting the GPS accuracy mode, logging intervals, which sensors are supported, etc. Ambit configuration also has to include HR and pace zones because that can’t be done on the watch, and potentially some other things. Obviously Suunto doesn’t want to invest money and time in the features that won’t help them sell any new watches and will be obsolete. They try to get by with the absolute minimum no matter how ugly the experience will be for the users.

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                                                    • andrasveres
                                                      andrasveres last edited by

                                                      @silentvoyager @rob_nz At the end it all comes down to is Suunto willing to invest money and time to give legacy customers a proper solution not just a crippled one.
                                                      I’m a software developer, I know it’s not easy to build old software parts into new one, but it can be done, and the difficulty level depends on how well was designed and executed the new software.
                                                      Anyway, I can understand they don’t want to implement full Ambit3 line support into Suunto app, but then they should provide a new Moveslink like application for legacy watches, for configuration and sync, not a crippled solution of “new MC” (for settings) - Suuntolink (for sync setting and exercises) - Suunto app (for analysis).
                                                      As an Ambit3 user I used Movescount app to sync my settings/moves and used Movescount web site for analysis. I’ve tried a couple of times the new Suunto app, but always ended deleting it (it’s just not there for me). Will try Suunto app once again + Movescount web site to configure my watch + Moveslink2 to sync the settings, will see how it goes Suunto’s development, then decide what’s next.
                                                      If you ask me it would be more fair to customers if they just stated: “we will end support for old devices at X time, sorry”. Yes, they would get bashes and hate, but are getting now or will get in 2020 anyway. Then everyone could decide what’s next. Now we are in an uncertain ground where nobody knows the result and it’s a shame.
                                                      Keeping high hopes even if you know you can’t provide at the end, shows a level of “lack of respect” toward your customers.

                                                      Suunto Ambit3 Vertical 1.1.22
                                                      Suunto app 2.13.0 (9676) on iOS 15.5
                                                      SuuntoLink 4.1.6 on macOS 12.4

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