Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!

freeheeler

@zhang965
because it works not as well as chest strap? …it’s not really a con… it’s just like the backup camera in the car that only works every now and then

zhang965

The first time(s) when I use my s9, I was shocking,

The gps was horrible
The ohr was horrible,

But I’m getting more and more comfortable with it now,
bob ross said There are no mistakes, just happy accidents.

The gps accuracy gives me a lot of surprises that I begin to enjoy it.

Ohr never mind, I’ll never use it.

freeheeler

@zhang965
do you get used to it because human gets used to everything or do you learn how to “read” it?

johann.fuehrer

@zhang965 said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:

So why ohr is a con?

con: WHR, what for? If I need reliable HR than I NEED a strap, if not - then I don’t need to know my HR anyhow, especially if I’m training by power zones.

What is a HR shown good for, if it’s wrong (not completely, but if you are wrong +/-5 HR beats near LTHR, it MAKES a difference), too late (interval training, >5secs) or not working at all (swimming) and absolutely unusable for HIIT based on HR (response too much lag)

For (more or less) steady pace runs, to have some indications where on your personal the HR scale you are: OK, this works.

johann.fuehrer

@zhang965 said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:

bob ross said There are no mistakes, just happy LITTLE accidents.

nice that am not the only one who watched him

zhang965

I do understand your con point, if you speak French, you will also understand your con’s meaning

Btw
The algorithms for Ohr and chest are different,

Chest belt can calculate the hr based on actual RR interval

But ohr has to get an average from a period it’s why we say ohr needs wear it for some minutes before beginning sport

johann.fuehrer

@johann-fuehrer said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:

@zhang965 said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:

bob ross said There are no mistakes, just happy LITTLE accidents.

nice that am not the only one who watched him

@zhang965

You have been right: "“We don’t make mistakes – we just have happy accidents.”

Mixed up quotes of B.R.

zhang965

When I begin using S9, my PB of 10k has changed a lot , 45m (a3p and ssu ) to 38m (s9)
You know I’m the guy only run once 10k a week at Sunday morning .

I thought it because I 'm running quicker, but it actually s9’s gps running quicker than me…

zhang965

I had some really really bad time with s9, but now it doesn’t matter anymore:
s9 is still being developed, s9 is still young, suunto has still time to finish it, new firmware is on the way, unless ssu, three years later of his release, one year in outlet, it still looks like an unfinished watch

freeheeler

@zhang965
I’m still not convinced if it’s a good or bad plan to throw a product on the market in test stage and use customers over 3 years time to improve it…
or do it like others: secretly test and improve until perfection and then surprise and overwhelm the customers with a big bang

johann.fuehrer

@TELE-HO said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:

@zhang965
I’m still not convinced if it’s a good or bad plan to throw a product on the market in test stage and use customers over 3 years time to improve it…

Microsoft was doing well with that approach, like IBM, Apple, Google (Android), … and the difference to Suunto is: their (Suunto’s) software usually do NOT crash! But customer feedback is somewhere different than what you cannot get in an “sterile” test environment. The “wild” is always different. And the the test base of Microsoft and Suunto might be slightly different in size…

That’s the reason, garmin drops out each beta in the wild, and let customers to the hard work (“but we’ve told you: it BETA!!, sorry for your data…”)

Saketo Nemo

@johann-fuehrer

up to 7 fields per screen, and it’s really handy when you don’t want to play too much with buttons, like when u r riding. possibility to activate energy saving profiles or change the GPS accuracy (or turn it off) during the activity. set repeated directly from the clock. set autolap from the start screen (if I am not mistaken, on ambit, it had to be entered first).
And…i’ll think this night, time to sleep 🤭

Brad_Olwin

I agree with the oHR feature, it is a problem. Perhaps the watch weight is an issue. I can wear mine where I do not want to partway up my arm and get good oHR. You missed some pro FusedTrack and absolutely amazing battery life, something my Ambits did not have.

pros:

Look
Comfort
Battery life in sport mode with GPS
Vibration
Breadcrumbs
Ability to zoom in navigation mode, but that is somewhat crippled by having to unlock

Mixed pros/cons:

Display - higher resolution but worse contrast / visibility
Measures longer, closer to true distance on trails while GPS is less accurate. The reason that happens is because there is some wobbling side to side which kind of compensates cutting through the turns and switchbacks so the distance ends up being slightly truer compared to A3.
Automatic FusedAlti - cool idea in general but it often leads to less accurate elevation gain.
Direction arrows on navigation route - useful but not always working correctly.

Everything else - either features I don’t care about or cons.

In particular, two strong cons compared to A3P are:

Lack of dedicated Light and View buttons
Can’t see upcoming waypoint details on demand like in A3 (in A3 that is done by pressing View button in navigation screen)

Here is my point of view and I try to keep a comparison with the Fenix 6x Pro out of this:

Pro:

Great user interface
easy usability
no overload of options/functions
very good GPS tracks on the mountains in my area (Southern Germany)
native support for running power

Cons:

lack of watchface configuration for intervals (e.g. 3 metrics: timer or distance, power, heartrate)
missing additional data from external sensors in the FIT file
vibration alarm too less intensity (I sometimes do not recognize it while sleeping)

zhang965

The step counter is too sucking to be a con ?

azeanic

I ran a 109k race recently and there was a Suunto 9 (me), a Coros Vertix and a Fenix 5 (two other runners) My observations were.

Suunto 9, the distance was off by quite a bit. I had to probably minus 6-8k off the current distance on the watch to match the course. Saving grace was the navigation and course profile. The estimated time arrival was quite useful as well.
Fenix 5, had the most accurate distance among the three.
Coros Vertix, had the best battery life among us 3 at the 60km mark. I had to disable OHR and charge a bit half-way through the race and finished with about 18% after 29.5 hours. Whilst I vaguely remember the Coros has more than enough battery to get to the finish line without a recharge.

freeheeler

@azeanic
never run out of battery says suunto…?!

sartoric

@azeanic said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:

Coros Vertix, had the best battery life among us 3 at the 60km mark. I had to disable OHR and charge a bit half-way through the race and finished with about 18% after 29.5 hours. Whilst I vaguely remember the Coros has more than enough battery to get to the finish line without a recharge.

Out of curiosity, was Coros using OHR and same precision (of course,not the same but equivalent) for GPS ?

zhang965

@azeanic which GPS precision did you use for the running ? I think it’s a problem with FUSEDTRACK