Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts

suzzlo

Hi!

I have been reading a bit about S3F and I have seen that some functionalities are provided by Firstbeat, that is a external company.

I imagine that companies like Suunto, Garmin, TomTom… must pay some kind of license to use this technologies, so, perhaps adding some S3F features (V2Max, Adaptative plans, Stress and Recovery and Sleep quality) to Spartans (or Ambits) is not an option .

Someone knows something about that?

NicolasP

@suzzlo next sw update should be this month if I’m not wrong so watch this space .
But some of the features from Firstbeat are not really relevant for Spartan owners like the adaptative training plan.
Well just my opinion

suzzlo

@nicolasp well, I agree that Adaptive Training Plans may not be relevant for Spartans, but VO2Max, sleep quality and recovery can help on our daily training.

My question is if we can get easily S3F features or are some legal/royalty issues…

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@suzzlo said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@nicolasp well, I agree that Adaptive Training Plans may not be relevant for Spartans, but VO2Max, sleep quality and recovery can help on our daily training.

My question is if we can get easily S3F features or are some legal/royalty issues…

At the moment I don’t have an answer about this and it’s all about liscences.

However the recover and est. Vo2max that you already have follows the same principals with first beat. That said when I was testing these stats both with s3f and the ambit they where almost identical with the current Spartan values.

NicolasP

@suzzlo I have read somewhere time ago that yes for using Firstbeat features companies have to pay as you said kind of licence.
I agree with you for the other stuff but haven’t we already the sleep quality, VO2 on our Spartan? I am a new Spartan user so still discovering and need to be used to the full panel of functionalities offered so not sure.

SlaSh

@nicolasp sleep quality is not present yet for spartan line, vomax only in training and only shown in MC at the moment. You cannot see real time vomax in watch fields during workout. You cannot do only vomax test.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@nicolasp sleep quality is not present yet for spartan line, vomax only in training and only shown in MC at the moment. You cannot see real time vomax in watch fields during workout. You cannot do only vomax test.

That is correct. But keep in mind not all Spartans have WHR so that vo2max can be constantly calculated.

Also the s3f has a special OHR sensor. That sensor can detect rr intervals (ibi). If you see the s3f ohr you will notice that it does not blink. That is because the waves are so fast in order to detect rr that a slow motion camera only can show.

SlaSh

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos Thought that s3f is having same sensor as other spartans with whrm, so you say that s3f is having newer sensor? What about RR values in workout data on MC which I see?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos Thought that s3f is having same sensor as other spartans with whrm, so you say that s3f is having newer sensor?

I am not sure if it’s a different hw component but I am sure it does what I said.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@slashas also I am wondering if that rr functionality can be put on the Spartans. However what I do understand is that it would definitely impact battery life.

SlaSh

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos well I would give an option turn it on or off. I suspect s3f is having tweaked fw to flash led’s more faster and etc as havent found anything new from valancel.

NicolasP

@slashas thanks for the explanation

Luís Pinto

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos Firstbeat is a company that i respect so much. One company that have the philosophy from catching scientific studies and do algorithms for brands is amazing.

Adaptative training for example can give much more than actually. Is important this algorithm have connection with the story of athlete to generate plans. Have to gather in case of running, how much time person do exercice, type of activity, number of exercises for week, distances, paces, power, HR, type of exercise just to mention in principals. But for that algorithm work well have to gather data from a cloud for that person, and have these variables.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos well I would give an option turn it on or off. I suspect s3f is having tweaked fw to flash led’s more faster and etc as havent found anything new from valancel.

No and yes. Valencel has created ibi data sensros.

Also worth to mention is that the s3f is very very light device. Our big Spartans are heavy and that was the challenge to get good whr. Hope it makes sense. Ibi data need very good precision to work ok.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@luís-pinto said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos Firstbeat is a company that i respect so much. One company that have the philosophy from catching scientific studies and do algorithms for brands is amazing.

Adaptative training for example can give much more than actually. Is important this algorithm have connection with the story of athlete to generate plans. Have to gather in case of running, how much time person do exercice, type of activity, number of exercises for week, distances, paces, power, HR, type of exercise just to mention in principals. But for that algorithm work well have to gather data from a cloud for that person, and have these variables.

Perhaps to spoil it to you, from your fitness level s3f is not for you. It’s for people who are just starting and just need a active lifestyle. (Meaning that you are above that level don’t take it bad )

The firstbeat training plans are plenty and for s3f the fitness plan is used.

Luís Pinto

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos I know that S3F is oriented for another target. And have advantages! J

Just saying that Firstbeat can explore more adaptative training, but with brands collaboration, because personal history is stored in clouds.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@luís-pinto said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos I know that S3F is oriented for another target. And have advantages! J

Just saying that Firstbeat can explore more adaptative training, but with brands collaboration, because personal history is stored in clouds.

Ah yes. Sorry missed the point man.

SlaSh

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos if s3f would employ BW2.0 there would be 2 leds, s3f is having 3 so seems BW1.2 which is the same as on spartan baro.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos if s3f would employ BW2.0 there would be 2 leds, s3f is having 3 so seems BW1.2 which is the same as on spartan baro.

And the answer :.

There’s an optical HR sensor and it’s the exact same Valencell model as on the SPARTAN TRAINER WHR (the latest Valencell BW2.0).

From

https://the5krunner.com/2018/04/04/suunto-fitness-3-first-look-first-runs-hands-on-not-a-review/

SlaSh

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos as per valancell technical datasheet BW2.0 HW design to use 2 leds.