Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts

Mi_chael

Thank you for this information…

suzzlo

Just months waiting for these kind of feedback. Aleluya!!!

thanks!

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@luís-pinto said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@brad_olwin But at 25th April Suunto app will be official launched just for SF3, without support for Ambit and Spartan? I did not understand.

Yes let me make this crystal clear.

We have an issue with the suunto app at this moment.

As you all understand it’s far from ready for the Spartans but it’s almost ready for the s3f and should be.

However the app needs to hit the stores for the s3f users on release.

We thought about not allowing app store (and playstore) users that install the app not to be able to pair their Spartans. But that is not the best decision. So it’s not the way.

So:

The app will hit the store at the s3f release. Users with Spartans will be promoted and know that if they pair their Spartan the functionality for the Spartans will not be ok and they will be also testsing a beta feature of the app. So Spartan sync with the app from the stores will be a beta feature.

At the same time , we will continue with here and the beta releases until we get this right. And believe me from what I have seen it’s going to be awesome in some months.

All your requests , chats , fears, bugs, issues and thoughts are taken 100% into consideration. We are cooking this experience for you. The people in this forum. You are driving the requests and helping this. Suunto is so happy about this beta, and it’s putting all the effort now on this. S3f is released, 2 more weeks for the s3f app fixes and then boom. Suunto is full on us and the Spartans. Android will get a speed up as well.

I hope this helps and good morning my friends. I love to see you here. All of you. Grumpy or not. You all have added and add continuously great value !!! Keep it up.

dpp349

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

I can rest assure you there is not 1% of resources not working for the Spartans and the app. All the company focus is and was on this.
Things are getting better , and I hope you will see it with the coming Spartan updates. Perhpas something I can share more with you, is that Spartan development has taken a boost and things are really going in the way that you would like to.

Thanks a lot for the info. This help us to be more patient!

Brad_Olwin

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Thanks for all of that information!! To hear Suunto is very happy with the beta means we are making a difference. A long-time complaint I have seen in forums is that Suunto doesn’t listen when in fact Suunto does not acknowledge enough that they listen. It is up to us to help on FB and other social media. I am really looking forward to this as I think the new app and existing hardware has tremendous potential.

suzzlo

Hi!

I have been reading a bit about S3F and I have seen that some functionalities are provided by Firstbeat, that is a external company.

I imagine that companies like Suunto, Garmin, TomTom… must pay some kind of license to use this technologies, so, perhaps adding some S3F features (V2Max, Adaptative plans, Stress and Recovery and Sleep quality) to Spartans (or Ambits) is not an option .

Someone knows something about that?

NicolasP

@suzzlo next sw update should be this month if I’m not wrong so watch this space .
But some of the features from Firstbeat are not really relevant for Spartan owners like the adaptative training plan.
Well just my opinion

suzzlo

@nicolasp well, I agree that Adaptive Training Plans may not be relevant for Spartans, but VO2Max, sleep quality and recovery can help on our daily training.

My question is if we can get easily S3F features or are some legal/royalty issues…

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@suzzlo said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@nicolasp well, I agree that Adaptive Training Plans may not be relevant for Spartans, but VO2Max, sleep quality and recovery can help on our daily training.

My question is if we can get easily S3F features or are some legal/royalty issues…

At the moment I don’t have an answer about this and it’s all about liscences.

However the recover and est. Vo2max that you already have follows the same principals with first beat. That said when I was testing these stats both with s3f and the ambit they where almost identical with the current Spartan values.

NicolasP

@suzzlo I have read somewhere time ago that yes for using Firstbeat features companies have to pay as you said kind of licence.
I agree with you for the other stuff but haven’t we already the sleep quality, VO2 on our Spartan? I am a new Spartan user so still discovering and need to be used to the full panel of functionalities offered so not sure.

SlaSh

@nicolasp sleep quality is not present yet for spartan line, vomax only in training and only shown in MC at the moment. You cannot see real time vomax in watch fields during workout. You cannot do only vomax test.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@nicolasp sleep quality is not present yet for spartan line, vomax only in training and only shown in MC at the moment. You cannot see real time vomax in watch fields during workout. You cannot do only vomax test.

That is correct. But keep in mind not all Spartans have WHR so that vo2max can be constantly calculated.

Also the s3f has a special OHR sensor. That sensor can detect rr intervals (ibi). If you see the s3f ohr you will notice that it does not blink. That is because the waves are so fast in order to detect rr that a slow motion camera only can show.

SlaSh

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos Thought that s3f is having same sensor as other spartans with whrm, so you say that s3f is having newer sensor? What about RR values in workout data on MC which I see?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos Thought that s3f is having same sensor as other spartans with whrm, so you say that s3f is having newer sensor?

I am not sure if it’s a different hw component but I am sure it does what I said.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@slashas also I am wondering if that rr functionality can be put on the Spartans. However what I do understand is that it would definitely impact battery life.

SlaSh

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos well I would give an option turn it on or off. I suspect s3f is having tweaked fw to flash led’s more faster and etc as havent found anything new from valancel.

NicolasP

@slashas thanks for the explanation

Luís Pinto

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos Firstbeat is a company that i respect so much. One company that have the philosophy from catching scientific studies and do algorithms for brands is amazing.

Adaptative training for example can give much more than actually. Is important this algorithm have connection with the story of athlete to generate plans. Have to gather in case of running, how much time person do exercice, type of activity, number of exercises for week, distances, paces, power, HR, type of exercise just to mention in principals. But for that algorithm work well have to gather data from a cloud for that person, and have these variables.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos well I would give an option turn it on or off. I suspect s3f is having tweaked fw to flash led’s more faster and etc as havent found anything new from valancel.

No and yes. Valencel has created ibi data sensros.

Also worth to mention is that the s3f is very very light device. Our big Spartans are heavy and that was the challenge to get good whr. Hope it makes sense. Ibi data need very good precision to work ok.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@luís-pinto said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos Firstbeat is a company that i respect so much. One company that have the philosophy from catching scientific studies and do algorithms for brands is amazing.

Adaptative training for example can give much more than actually. Is important this algorithm have connection with the story of athlete to generate plans. Have to gather in case of running, how much time person do exercice, type of activity, number of exercises for week, distances, paces, power, HR, type of exercise just to mention in principals. But for that algorithm work well have to gather data from a cloud for that person, and have these variables.

Perhaps to spoil it to you, from your fitness level s3f is not for you. It’s for people who are just starting and just need a active lifestyle. (Meaning that you are above that level don’t take it bad )

The firstbeat training plans are plenty and for s3f the fitness plan is used.

Luís Pinto

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos I know that S3F is oriented for another target. And have advantages! J

Just saying that Firstbeat can explore more adaptative training, but with brands collaboration, because personal history is stored in clouds.