sample set movescount.com uploads Jan.15 by device family
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@Saketo-Nemo said in sample set movescount.com uploads Jan.15 by device family:
Great point @NickK
BTW 6,4% record with MCapp.
I canāt believe
OMG that is also my response. Did not look at those latelty. No matter why people whant HR belt support with SA.
On the user funnel, I can see that the MC app only users have a watch paired so in can be that eg they forgot the watch etc. Not 100% sure.
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@Tobias-F I understand, no flame war here. I think we can agree though Ambit2 and older devices are kind of oldish, and will be older still a few years from now. Even Ambit3, which can be easily supported in the new app, isnāt exactly a spring chicken. It was released in 2014, around the time when original Garmin Fenix and Fenix 2 came out. Can you compare either of those to the Fenix 5+ of today, really?
I understand Ambits still work perfectly fine and nothing is wrong with them ā but this doesnāt change the fact that Ambit will be almost 10 years old, and Ambit3 will be pushing on 6-7 years ā eternity for sports watches nowadays.
Thereās another consideration your chart doesnāt capture: trends. Itās quite possible thereās a steep decline in the number of uploads from older units as people upgrade. We donāt really know what the trend curve looks like. Or how steep it is.
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I would agree Ambit 1 & 2 are great watches from another age, and it has some sense to give a time limit for their support. This is strictly a business decision and have some reasons. Maybe it would be better to give those users a clarification or better explanation, even an offer to renew their devices.
But I canāt agree with losing features and capabilities with the migration. In any way. I manage my whole sport life strictly from my computers (home, work, portableā¦). I canāt believe Iām the only one in the world doing the hard work in a āhard-work-readyā device, nor in a handy one, like a smartphone or a tablet. Jobs like:
*check your bests
*analyze deeply a workout (merge data in a graph, pan, zoom, re-study the issuesā¦)
*compare data from similar (or identical) workouts
*create/edit tracks
*even customizing sport modes, is by far easier in a PC than in a phone screen
I just need a phone app to sync my workouts to the cloud (from my watch manufacturer), and check it was right uploaded. Itās cool if you could upload a picture and rename it. More than this, candies are welcome, but totally needless for me.var Watch="Garmin Forerunner 735XT", WatchFw="9.40";
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@NickK I learned something today. Spring chicken.
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@ColdBeer there we go again
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Not to be confused with chicken surprise! (As presented in Netflix Troll Hunters series)
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@NickK said in sample set movescount.com uploads Jan.15 by device family:
chicken surprise
whahahahahha
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in sample set movescount.com uploads Jan.15 by device family:
that eg they forgot the watch etc
could be but then most likely they also forgot their HR belt as well or?
In my opinion why people doing this is if you want to have an online calendar/repository/overview tool for your training activities using the free movescount app and a free movescoutn.com account is actually the cheapest way to be part of the movescount community without investing heavily in a watch, the app records your track on the map, speed and altitude from device GPS so if you are happy with that set of data you can operate like this wayā¦ my opinion here only and no disrespect to the people using this -
@Tobias-F agreed 100% on that. I have the same stats looking better on the funnel.
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@NickK said in sample set movescount.com uploads Jan.15 by device family:
Garmin Fenix and Fenix 2
Garmin Fenix/Fenix2 still connect to Garmin Connect nobody there is pulling the plug, for god sake you can even upload from a forerunner 310XT if you indent to do soā¦
as said this is data fact based no trends no speculation what āoldishā device owner might do, I do nto agree with you on this wordingā¦
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Yes, you can upload from the original Fenix because Garmin is still pretty much running on their original platform. Kudos to them for being able to evolve it. Not everybody can, because not everyone has Garminās resources. Iām fairly certain Suunto had some good reasons for deciding not to build on top of Movescount moving forward or for considering pulling a plug on older devices sync.
The best we can do is to voice our opinion as to what the critically important things are and what a satisfactory solution would be? If we were to distill pages and pages of flame wars for the most part it comes down to having a web interface, a web based repo for the routes that can be edited and pushed to the watch, POI in the routes, and then a few more smaller things like watch customization on the webā¦ Everyone got their pet peeve there.
Most of these can be easily addressed by a facelift of the existing Sports-Tracker web site!
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@NickK
Device being old and not having all the pretty bells and whistles doesnāt mean itās not perfectly usable anymore. Ambit3 for example was, and still is a great watch (still being sold by Suunto), and features even some functions not available in newer watches.
My usage scenario is mostly hiking and running and for this purpose Ambit3 is future proof! The battery life is great, GPS accuracy is still a standard for other watches, it has barometer, BT connectivity etc. Itās old (even if my A3P is still under warranty), but it should be up to me if and when I will decide to retire it. Not Suunto!
They are selling very expensive equipment and are doing their best to present them as durable, quality devices, used by professionals. How come then they are now taking the right to make the decision to effectively disable some devices by shutting down the whole platform for managing them and not giving users any real alternative. That is very mean and possible illegal in some countries and certainly very bad marketing for all possible future customers. When we bought our watches, we were not informed they had a limited lifespan and that it could become obsolete just by Suuntoās decision even if the hardware functions perfectly.
In my opinion, Suunto should provide an alternative software, available to run on userās local computer, which would provide all or most core functionalities of older watches that they are not going to support anymore. As I said, they could even be obliged to do so in some countries or could be fined.
I hope that Suunto make this right, as this is really terrible PR. Itās just not OK to inform their customers that their expensive devices are going to be effectively bricked. It was Suunto who made watches so dependent on Movescount plafform and if they donāt want to maintain it anymore, they should come up with an alternative software and/or make it opensource. Otherwise what makes them different from crappy sport watches which cost 5 times less then Suuntoās. They could easily last about the same time. -
@Emir-Karisik said in sample set movescount.com uploads Jan.15 by device family:
Device being old and not having all the pretty bells and whistles doesnāt mean itās not perfectly usable anymore.
I think if you read closely what Iāve written, this is exactly what I said. I also said Iād surprised if Ambit3 doesnāt get a path forward being a relatively new device, with Bluetooth support.
As per Suunto shutting down the serviceā¦ This is unfortunate. But these things happen fairly often in the brave new world of connected, Internet-enabled devices. Adidas killed SmartRun and miCoach after a few short years. Killed. As in took behind the barn and shot. After a couple of years. Boom! Boom! Like that. Mighty Microsoft, with enough cash in their pockets to buy entire countries, took down Kin, Zune, and Grove Music unceremoniously. Remember Amazon Phone? Iām sure a few poor souls do! Once upon a time Appleās computers run on PowerPC, not Intel processors. I still remember conversations with a few unhappy owners who had perfectly working laptops that were no longer supported once the switch was over.
Why should Suunto be required to support everything until the last device of its kind croaks and a request to send flowers comes to Vantaa?
Ambit owners at least got many years to enjoy their watch. A sad nerdy teen who grabbed Microsoft Kin didnāt get even that!
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The problem with this is my and probably many other individuals are syncing with 3rd party phone apps! My S9 is not in your pie chart distribution as my upload is done by RunGap!
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Not good enough. Suuntoās core business is selling high quality, durable devices, mostly for professionals. That being said, we all paid couple of times more money than for other manufacturers devices, just because we trusted them they would last. I donāt care about Adidas, they will continue to sell shoes and clothes. What will happen with suunto if users lose this trust in them? Companies you named as example mostly left the business of these products. Is that suuntoās intention too? I donāt think so, but it might as well be the case whether they want it or not after this PR fiasco.
Suunto Race
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@Emir-Karisik good point in the conversation.
At least what I can learn here, as a person, from the many responses of type āmy A2 works fineā is that the HW is more than fine as a product.
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@Brad_Olwin if your move is in movescount if will got an ID at upload so it would have been catched in this subset considering the limited {300}moves here analyzed during the two timeframes, not saying this is a comprehensive overview but an sample with a high enough sample size to show the distribution of devices
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@NickK said in sample set movescount.com uploads Jan.15 by device family:
Why should Suunto be required to support everything until the last device
I couldnāt disagree more to such statement, particular an company advertising products ābuild to lastā
what the heck is wrong in people spending their money way back for Ambit1/2/Quest/T3/T4/T6/M-series and D4i, D4i novo, D6i, D6i Novo, D9i, DX, Zoop, Zoop Novo, Vyper, Vyper Novo, Helo2, Vyper2 and Cobra2 because they like these products and trust in Suunto and intended to use them as long as they like without getting an artificial shortened product lifetime by deliberately shutting off essential background sync service (movescount.com is working fine and there is no technical need to switch it off) furthermore without getting offered an real or even any alternative ā¦ this is just utterly wrong not only for a long term corporate strategy but also from ethical and environmental point of view
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@Emir-Karisik said in sample set movescount.com uploads Jan.15 by device family:
we all paid couple of times more money than for other manufacturers devices,
Eh, really? Because last time I checked here in the US, the most premium at the moment Suunto 9 Baro Titanium is running at a discount to the little no frills Fenix 5S Plus. Donāt even get me started on Fenix 5X Plus DLC, which would be more comparable materials and battery wise. The same is true of all new Suunto watches being it Spartan units (with full featured triathlon/multisport Trainers costing less than Vivoactive 3) or Suunto 3 Fitness thatās cheaper than most Fitbits.
Perhaps back in 2012 you paid a premium for something that was clearly a premium and unmatched feature wise product. But times changed. Fenix barely existed back then. Vivoactive didnāt exist back then. Apple Watch didnāt exist back then. Fitbit as a company was hardly a blip on everyoneās radars making dumb pedometers. This is an extremely fast moving and competitive industry thatās increasingly dominated by players who can either quickly innovate and iterate, compete on price, or possess certain unique competencies.
Watch longevity is no longer a defining feature, whether we like it or not as consumers.
Think 6-8 years life is bad? Fitbit owners replace their devices every 6-12 months because these are falling apart. Microsoft Band 2 fell apart after 3-4 months. Jawbone Up was 6-8 months affair. Thatās your benchmark to judge quality consumers find acceptable. Unfortunately, watches of today are no longer your grandpaās Swiss timepiece passed lovingly from generation to generation. āBuilt to lastā doesnāt have to mean ābuilt foreverā but ābuilt to survive whatever you throw at it until the next upgradeā.
You and I may not like it. But if anything, the numbers above proved Suunto will survive just fine with its new strategy, Ambit users spurned loverās anger notwithstanding.
And if you think the life is better in Garmin garden because Forerunner 310XT can still sync, consider this: Garmin iterates their products every year, and a previous yearās model promptly stops receiving updates and new features. Which means your watch crashes, battery drain, occasional GPS weirdness, connectivity problems and many-many other things Garmin is famous for will be there for as long as your watch syncs. Which is forever. Enjoy!
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@Tobias-F said in sample set movescount.com uploads Jan.15 by device family:
I couldnāt disagree more to such statement, particular an company advertising products ābuild to lastā
Then honestly answer me this question: what would happen if Suunto commits to throwing limited and frankly already stretched resources at supporting products and services that are 10 years old and are used by a shrinking minority of users? While failing to allocate adequate manpower to new competitive products in an industry thatās dominated by short iteration cycles and constant technological innovation?
Thatās right! Suunto will go out of business.
What do you think is going to happen to Movescount then?
You published a picture of a significant watch collection from Suunto. What would you prefer? To lose some of it or all of it?
