Goodbye Suunto, hello Garmin

@sebchastang everyone has their own needs / priorities I understand but as mentioned elsewhere with the initial premises we could have lost much more… and objectively for me it hasn’t changed that much.

Alexander Jerković

@freeheeler The product is simply too good, so they took away its functionality to make it easier to market new models. Suunto did not do this in order to increase the salaries of people who actually develop products, and they go to tears when they receive marketing requirements. I am also worried about the families of the workers if they continue in this way so that their products lose functionality and there are no alternative solutions. That’s how we see this situation. But I believe there are also technicians who are actually developing this watch.
The product is currently worse than it was at the time of purchase. If they ensure the family’s survival in such a way that they worsen the product, wages will soon be gone and the company may be shut down. This is definitely not a long term business. From now on, it is difficult to suggest suunto products to an acquaintance or friend because you do not know what awaits you after a while. This will certainly have an impact on sales in the long run because the bad reputation is spreading fast.

@alexander-jerković said in Goodbye Suunto, hello Garmin:

The product is simply too good

this is very true!!!

Alexander Jerković

@g-q What bothers me the most is that it is only edited with a mobile phone and the PC is being abolished. Well people we deal with navigation …

freeheeler

@alexander-jerković said in Goodbye Suunto, hello Garmin:

The product is simply too good, so they took away its functionality to make it easier to market new models

I think this is absolutely not the case, but maybe you know it better.

DMytro

@alexander-jerković I think movescount was abandoned in order to cut costs, suunto simply couldn’t financially support both platforms. And I don’t think the intent was to relieve ambit users of functionality.
Web interface is actually kind of there if you have windows 11, you can launch Suunto App in landscape mode and it should be fine I think.

ChrisA

@freeheeler As somebody who purchased my first Suunto, when they already told you to use the app only, I never used Movescout. From what I read here it seemed to be very good. Wasn’t it communicated WHY they move away from such a good and developed platform and develop an app, instead of integrating new functions in Movescout?

freeheeler

@chrisa
I remember that there were semi official info about the reasons for closing MC. I didn’t mean it rude when I said @Alexander-Jerković might know better, maybe he does? because my info is that the MC database was crazy blown up and was expensive like hell.
some functions would have been expensive to maintain or transition, too.
Don’t get me wrong here, I came to Suunto mainly because of MC, because it was definitely awesome!! I also disagreed at first when I’ve heard of closing MC, but sometimes it’s simply time to move on, go with technology and benefit from new features

pavel.samokha

@alexander-jerković said in Goodbye Suunto, hello Garmin:

they took away its functionality to make it easier to market new models.

I don’t have time to argue but that’s not true

ChrisA

@freeheeler thanks - makes sense. For me it sounds illogical, that a company would “kill” a great and working platform, which is/was - from what I read here - the reason for many people to buy their products in the first place. There must have been some reasons/problems, that Suunto saw on the horizon. Can understand the disappointment of the users though, but what is it for? You won’t change things anyway and so every one must make ones choices. I think it’s waste of time to discuss it endlessly - so sorry for bringing it up again

@chrisa said in Goodbye Suunto, hello Garmin:

@freeheeler thanks - makes sense. For me it sounds illogical, that a company would “kill” a great and working platform, which is/was - from what I read here - the reason for many people to buy their products in the first place. There must have been some reasons/problems, that Suunto saw on the horizon. Can understand the disappointment of the users though, but what is it for? You won’t change things anyway and so every one must make ones choices. I think it’s waste of time to discuss it endlessly - so sorry for bringing it up again

Let’s not forget, what can be very good for us users, can be a mess for the company.
I believe when they closed movescount it was because it was a hell to maintain, and that SA could replace it, specially with 3rd party connections (route planners, performance analyzers, etc).
I believe the thing that misses, and there are rumors it will come to 3rd parties, is complex interval and planner via 3rd parties.
Syncing routes to a3 via phone is also missing, but also the old workflow was not, what I would kind “normal” for an average user. But I understand, that for those who were using it, it was a viable solution.

Bulkan

I have a question.

Are you talking about the apps than were a free update in the Ambit 3?

I know the Movescount drama. But now Suunto app beta is in big screens. You can use the apps you had in your watch… or are you creating new apps after years of use?

Is ok to don’t be happy with the Movescount farewell but some facts aren’t true or accurate.

sebchastang

@Bulkan
Maybe some of us would need to create new Suunto apps. I don’t think I personally would need to create new ones (maybe 1 or 2, but not much more), BUT we really need to be able to EDIT those apps since some of them are dynamic and need some variables to be set at the beginning of the program.
That is the case for interval training apps for example, but I know some other users who also need to edit variable values to use apps according to their needs.
That is why it is really important to be able to access a compiler so we could edit apps and keep using them.
Lots of apps are totally useless without ability to edit them.
And I personally also miss a lot the data logged by those apps since they are no synced with SA (although they used to with Moveslink2 or Movescount app). Those data were very important and interesting to analyse workouts just like other data are (like speed, distance, ascent, pace, …). This is the other weakness of this transition: loss of those data.

Tomas5

@miniforklift I would really like to have this kind of info in watch. Today i used navigation on route i didn’t know yet, it would be nice to know how many climbs is at front of me. I didn’t remember from planing the route how many of them will be there. In watch it would be great info.

DMytro

@tomas5 doesn’t it shown an altitude profile?

Tomas5

@dmytro maybe i miss something, i used navigate route in watch, i saw map which works great (except missing compas ) even turn by turn works quite good for crosscountry skiing. But i don’t know how to display altitude profile of planned route in watch.

DMytro

@tomas5 oh, just start an activity instead. Like hiking or something, then select a route and there you go.

Tomas5

@dmytro is this new feature or i was blind before thank you very much. Today was first time i was looking for this feature as i am just learning cross country skiing and i was really curious how many climbs is ahead of me. It is good that it is there. I just tried it and it looks like it is what i was looking for. Thanks again.

DMytro

@tomas5 it was there from the start XD
You were actually so sure that I began to doubt myself haha

@dmytro said in Goodbye Suunto, hello Garmin:

oh, just start an activity instead. Like hiking or something, then select a route and there you go.

if I may… or just (A3P user here) select NAVIGATION>ROUTES>select the route>VIEW and you can see both the route and the altitude profile.

I’m happy now altitude profile has been restored on my A3P (I missed it since it was dropped in MC because of the API license if I’m not mistaken)