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    • sky-runnerS Offline
      sky-runner Platinum Member
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      I am posting this in the Vertical 2 section of the forum, but this should apply to many other watches.

      I think that the current implementation of “off-route” detection is overly sensitive. This results in “off-route” alerts (that are shortly followed by “back on route”) that are so frequent that I basically stopped paying attention to them, fully expecting them to be false positives.

      Typically I am right on the correct trail when the off-route notification goes on. What the current off-route detection mechanism doesn’t seem consider is that:
      a) The map may not be entirely accurate, which seems to be sufficient to trigger this alert from time to time
      b) The GPX route may not follow the trail accurately because it was created from another activity recorded with a poor GPS accuracy, for example an activity that was possibly recorded with a less accurate older generation watch.

      It is unreasonable to expect GPX routes to follow the actual trails precisely. Perhaps it is reasonable to expect that in a city, but certainly not in wilderness.

      To give you an example, last weekend I’ve run a mountain 50K race and have followed an officially provided GPX route on my Vertical 2. I am certain that I never diverged from the race course, and yet I had the off-route notifications probably a dozen times. Comparing the route and what I actually ran, there were some tiny differences in some places and no observable differences in other places, but none of them seemed significant enough to trigger an alert.

      In my opinion, this isn’t working as it should. All it achieves is that it teaches me to ignore off-route alerts. And then there may be a genuine off-route situation that I would ignore thinking it is yet another false positive, as many before, which would result in me going a wrong way. True story! That has already happened to me once.

      Suunto: Ambit, Ambit 3 Peak, 9 Baro, Race S, Race Ti, Vertical 2 Ti
      Garmin: Forerunner 210, Forerunner 610, Fenix 6X, Fenix 7X Ti

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        elbee
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        I use navigation to follow a gpx a lot on my race s, but I don’t recognize the behavior you describe.

        Suunto t3c | Suunto Ambit 3 sport | Tomtom runner 2 | Garmin forerunner 935 | Garmin forerunner 965 | Suunto race s
        Stryd | Bryton Gardia R300L | Polar H9 | Polar oh1+ | Wahoo bolt v2 | 4iiii precision 3

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        • sky-runnerS Offline
          sky-runner Platinum Member @elbee
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          @elbee What kind of terrain you use navigation on? What I am describing is a behavior on twisty mountain trails. I don’t get this on every run, but often enough to definitely notice this issue. Prior to the previous software update, when the “improved” off-route detection was introduced, that hardly ever happened.

          Suunto: Ambit, Ambit 3 Peak, 9 Baro, Race S, Race Ti, Vertical 2 Ti
          Garmin: Forerunner 210, Forerunner 610, Fenix 6X, Fenix 7X Ti

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            elbee @sky-runner
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            @sky-runner

            I had no problem on twisting Belgium trails, nor in the French or German mountains.
            It usually takes distance before I get an of course alert (something between 50 and 100 meters, I guess)

            Suunto t3c | Suunto Ambit 3 sport | Tomtom runner 2 | Garmin forerunner 935 | Garmin forerunner 965 | Suunto race s
            Stryd | Bryton Gardia R300L | Polar H9 | Polar oh1+ | Wahoo bolt v2 | 4iiii precision 3

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            • Stefano M64S Offline
              Stefano M64 Silver Members
              last edited by

              maybe you changed to a battery mode with a lower GPS accuracy?

              Suunto Vector . Vector HR . Core . Race & Race S

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