How are so many basic features missing? Are these on the roadmap?
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Garmin just announced a feature that, I wonder, may work “better” than resume later, for those who are looking to have a record of a multi-day activity, “Garmin Epic”. This allows someone like me to record as many sessions as make sense (i.e. make breaks whenever I stop) but still have a “holistic view” of a longer trip.
https://www.garmin.com/en-US/garmin-technology/maps-for-smartwatches/garmin-epic/
Quoting from the page:
Garmin Epic allows you to look at a group of activities – and the time in between – to see the full scale of your accomplishments. An epic is more than an activity. It recounts your experience from the trailhead to the campsite and back the next day. It’s how you slept the night before, the hike to your campsite and the way the stars looked when you woke up in the middle of the night to answer nature’s call. Rather than looking at a single day on the slopes, Garmin Epic lets you log and share the entire ski trip. And this feature makes a stage race more memorable as a whole versus as a series of individual bike rides.
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I don’t see hoe that would be better than “resume later”.
With resume later, my ride/hike with lunchbreak appears as 1 activity on all platforms (suunto, strava, intervals.icu)
What you mentioned only works on garmin. And is focussed on typical garmin users who think more data is always better.
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I don’t see hoe that would be better than “resume later”.
With resume later, my ride/hike with lunchbreak appears as 1 activity on all platforms (suunto, strava, intervals.icu)
What you mentioned only works on garmin. And is focussed on typical garmin users who think more data is always better.
Some people who asked for “resume later” want to track multi-day activities. I think having a session “in abeyance” overnight is asking for trouble (if software isn’t perfect, the session may get deleted altogether, for example), and for me from a physiological viewpoint a “session” starts when I go from a non-activity state into an activity, and ends when I transition back to my “normal” state. I don’t want a HR graph where let’s say I ran/biked up a mountain to a hillside cafe and my HR is in zone 4 or zone 5, then suddenly that HR graph has me at resting HR after a two hour sojourn. To me that’s two sessions physiologically, and wanting to connect them is more for social reasons than performance analysis.
I’m not saying Garmin has the perfect solution here, but the idea of (1) recording a session as “time moving” with “time not moving” not recorded while also (2) connecting “related” sessions to a larger element makes sense to me.
As for sending to other platforms, to me that’s a separate concern. The main thing I’d recommend for people who don’t want the “individual parts” to get uploaded is to have a system that allows manually uploading rather than automatic, and/or have uploads be private by default. For intervals.icu, that’s not a social platform for me, and my individual sessions are exactly what I want there. I don’t want three days of activities in one report. At that point, why not just do one monthly “session”? For Strava, which to me is more social and I never analyze sessions there, if I were a “multiday person” I’d simply do manual uploads or private by default as noted.
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Using hypothetical bugs as argument not to implement a feature is a bit strange. Then all software development could better not take place.
And if you don’t want a pause in your ride then don’t pause. Most of us aren’t training for the olympics.
What I read from wishes of others and my experience with garmin, a save to resume later would cover everybody’s needs.
I understand if you say, I have more “important” needs than resume later. That’s fine. I don’t think it is number 1 on my whishlist either.
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As an example of how I use intervals.icu here’s a recent running session. Let’s say at the end of this session I stopped and had lunch and then started again. That after-lunch effort is starting me from a very different state than I left off at the end of this session, and I don’t see a reason to connect them for analysis. My HR is fairly elevated at the end of this — in my mind, I’d need to first get my physiological state to “return” to this end-moment condition to justify “adding on” more time.
Also note in the middle of this is a 33s walking effort and a second walking effort of 29s later, where I could have paused the session, but then it’d no longer be an accurate representation of how my body handled the overall effort. That time was important to see HR dropping.
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You made your point you are not interested in resume later. No need to try to convince me. I still see value in the feature.
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You made your point you are not interested in resume later. No need to try to convince me. I still see value in the feature.
I suppose the analogy I like is someone who is using the handle of a screwdriver to put in a nail. I look at this and think “wouldn’t you prefer a hammer,” but if someone is happy using a screwdriver for this purpose then I suppose not having a hammer means there’s less things for them to be concerned about.
Just because “resume later” does exist doesn’t mean there’s no innovation to be further had, and a future feature may serve someone’s needs better. An example i gave elsewhere is “what if I’m doing a multi-day bike tour, and at night at a hotel stop I want to do some pool swimming?” My understanding of how resume later features work is I’d need to make a choice to keep the resumed cycle ride in abeyance or “close it” to enable the ability to track the swim, or have my ride as a multisport activity (and I’m uncertain if “resume later” can “resume as a different sport” in this hypothetical). in cases like this being able to stitch together sessions may be the “hammer” people don’t know they desired, as they were too used to using a screwdriver to put in their nails.
It’s not that I’m asking you to not see value in “resume later,” and more I’m suggesting the possibility of other features that may work better, but this is unlikely if one is stuck on needing things to work one particular way forevermore.
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It’s quite simple.
Not every activity I do is about gaining speed or endurance. Some are for fun.
For example, I join a bunch of people to do some trails in France. Some do 10k, some do 30k. All fine.
Halfway we meet for picknick and after that we continue.It would be nice to pause during the lunch, preferably in a way the gps is stopped. Resume later would do this.
Not interested in heart rate. Not in hamers or screwdrivers. Nor in some cutting edge feature that combines data over multiple days. Just a nice social run.
And for me that’s all that there is to say about it.
Should suunto drop everything they are doing to implement this? No. They should stop everything they are doing and start fixing bugs. -
@elbee For your example, “ride for fun” you may not even need to record it at all if you see no value in the data being correct.
Sometimes I take my longboard out and spend an hour skating around, carving and going downhill. I don’t record it as “skating metrics” aren’t really a thing I’m interested in. Like your example, I’m not interested in my heart rate when I’m skateboarding, so don’t record it. I also don’t record a lot of my walking on my college campus for similar reasons. In theory, I could record ten minutes of walking, pause then after class record another ten minutes going to another building, pause again, etc. But what point would that serve?
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@raven While I would never use “pause and resume later” (and in fact I almost never pause my watch at all), I do agree that there is a lot of value in recording non-performance fun activities, and I see how stitching multiple separate sessions together into a larger activity is appealing to a lot of people.
For starters, there is a growing tendency to share such fun non-performance activities on Strava, posting with a bunch of photos. I kind of enjoy when others share that. For example, someone can go explore a city while traveling and take a lunch break in the middle. Sharing that as a single activity on Strava is much better than spamming everyone with multiple short activities.
Personally I just keep the watch running, sometimes even when I go into a store, and then I let Strava automatically remove all non-moving parts. But I can see how pausing and resuming later would make more sense to many people.
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