[Vertical 2, 2.53.42] Map and Navigation features are greatly improved but there are still a lot of old issues and also new bugs introduced in the latest update
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@Joaquin said in [Vertical 2, 2.53.42] Map and Navigation features are greatly improved but there are still a lot of old issues and also new bugs introduced in the latest update:
Accurate turn-by-turn guidance requires either:
• Routes created or edited directly in Suunto App, where the platform has full and updated map informatio
Does this also apply to the Suunto web route planner?
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@snow said in [Vertical 2, 2.53.42] Map and Navigation features are greatly improved but there are still a lot of old issues and also new bugs introduced in the latest update:
Does this also apply to the Suunto web route planner?
That’s right, they use the same engine, and although you don’t see the turns in Routeplanner, the app displays the turns of the routes drawn in Routeplanner.
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@Joaquin said in [Vertical 2, 2.53.42] Map and Navigation features are greatly improved but there are still a lot of old issues and also new bugs introduced in the latest update:
you don’t see the turns in Routeplanner,
That was exactly what I was wondering. Thanks for clearing that up!
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@Joaquin said in [Vertical 2, 2.53.42] Map and Navigation features are greatly improved but there are still a lot of old issues and also new bugs introduced in the latest update:
@dreamer_ btw, you can check all new update in this PDF.
it would be very valuable to have such a detailed explanation with any firmware release, users would learn to use their watches at the best without wasting time trying to understand how things works
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@Stefano-M64 agree…this presentation is in Spanish for spain but It would be great to have something like this globally, as many of the complaints I sometimes see here or other forums, would be resolved.
Technical & Product Specialist – Suunto Iberia
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@Joaquin said in [Vertical 2, 2.53.42] Map and Navigation features are greatly improved but there are still a lot of old issues and also new bugs introduced in the latest update:
this presentation is in Spanish for spain but It would be great to have something like this globally
It’s not really a problem, because, as far as I’m concerned, I upload your documents, videos and so on to NotebookLM and can then generate detailed technical reports in my native language. For me, at least, it’s a godsend!
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@Joaquin said in [Vertical 2, 2.53.42] Map and Navigation features are greatly improved but there are still a lot of old issues and also new bugs introduced in the latest update:
@Stefano-M64 agree…this presentation is in Spanish for spain but It would be great to have something like this globally, as many of the complaints I sometimes see here or other forums, would be resolved.
Hi, since I found your document very useful, I took the liberty to translated it to english. It’s mostly based on automatized Google Translate function, but I had to edit some parts by myself, hope everything is correct;
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@Stefano-M64 said in [Vertical 2, 2.53.42] Map and Navigation features are greatly improved but there are still a lot of old issues and also new bugs introduced in the latest update:
Hi, since I found your document very useful, I took the liberty to translated it to english. It’s mostly based on automatized Google Translate function, but I had to correct some parts by myself, hope everything is correct;
SUPER THANKS!!!
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@Joaquin having such a document at the release of such a big update would be great. At least it was not available in this forum.
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I think Suunto should do a better job themselves – precise presentation, description, and instructions. Same thing happened with the Vertical 1. For a long time, potential buyers could mostly find reviews of the very limited launch software – before the updates that turned it into a completely different watch. Quite a weird strategy.
The latest updates are potentially excellent marketing material. Particularly given the low number of new releases and the existing models on the market.
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@maszop right.
Have you seen Janne’s extensive videos of the new features in January and then last week? -
@Gunnar full agree…we are working for the future
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@dreamer_ Since you mentioned another brand that also uses climb guidance, I took the time to take a few photos for you.
Here you can see how we display routes with waypoints and how other brands present them. I am not here to say who does it better or worse, only to show how we approach it.
One thing I really appreciate is having five dedicated screens for Climb Guidance. This allows you to always understand exactly where you are on the climb and what still lies ahead.
The customizable data field is also a real differentiator. At any moment I can display heart rate, gradient, estimated arrival time to the next waypoint, remaining ascent to the next waypoint, ascent or descent of the current segment, and much more depending on the activity.
That is why I mentioned this earlier today. Suunto Climb Guidance is not perfect and there is always room to improve. We should always push for better. But honestly, the new Climb Guidance is already an incredibly powerful tool.
You are going to enjoy it a lot
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@Joaquin said in [Vertical 2, 2.53.42] Map and Navigation features are greatly improved but there are still a lot of old issues and also new bugs introduced in the latest update:
@dreamer_ Since you mentioned another brand that also uses climb guidance, I took the time to take a few photos for you.
Here you can see how we display routes with waypoints and how other brands present them. I am not here to say who does it better or worse, only to show how we approach it.
One thing I really appreciate is having five dedicated screens for Climb Guidance. This allows you to always understand exactly where you are on the climb and what still lies ahead.
The customizable data field is also a real differentiator. At any moment I can display heart rate, gradient, estimated arrival time to the next waypoint, remaining ascent to the next waypoint, ascent or descent of the current segment, and much more depending on the activity.
That is why I mentioned this earlier today. Suunto Climb Guidance is not perfect and there is always room to improve. We should always push for better. But honestly, the new Climb Guidance is already an incredibly powerful tool.
You are going to enjoy it a lot
Thank you so much @joaquin . At this moment I’m very convinced about Suunto’s approach about being FAR superior than every brand of the market.
I have a bit of doubt with just one thing, and that is the profile between checkpoints I posted (AID stations). That is the most important Climb screen in my opinion. When you are in an ultra race with many hours in your legs , that is exactly what you’d like to see. Altitude/descent and profile until the next checkpoint. That’d make everything just perfect.
And a little minor improvement too. If you look at the comparison shots, the checkpoint dots should be smaller to avoid overlapping when there are many. Everything will be cleaner with just that slightly minor change.
But I need to test It yet (and play with the zooms to see everything), thought.
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@dreamer_ said in [Vertical 2, 2.53.42] Map and Navigation features are greatly improved but there are still a lot of old issues and also new bugs introduced in the latest update:
Thank you so much @joaquin . At this moment I’m very convinced about Suunto’s approach about being FAR superior than every brand of the market.
I have a bit of doubt with just one thing, and that is the profile between checkpoints I posted (AID stations). That is the most important Climb screen in my opinion. When you are in an ultra race with many hours in your legs , that is exactly what you’d like to see. Altitude/descent and profile until the next checkpoint. That’d make everything just perfect.
And a little minor improvement too. If you look at the comparison shots, the checkpoint dots should be smaller to avoid overlapping when there are many. Everything will be cleaner with just that slightly minor change.
But I need to test It yet (and play with the zooms to see everything), thought.
Pretty excited about this guys. This is very good work.Thank you so much for the thoughtful feedback, I really appreciate the level of detail in your observations.
In the example I shared this situation happens mainly because the route contains a very high number of waypoints. In that specific test route I placed 16 waypoints in just 18 km, which is actually far more than what you would normally see in a real race course. I intentionally exaggerated the number to stress test the system.
Even in those situations you will still be able to clearly see all the key information from your current position to the next waypoint or aid station. Distance, ascent and descent remaining, and the elevation profile up to that point are all visible and easy to interpret during the activity.
About the waypoint dots, you are absolutely right that when there are many checkpoints close together they can overlap visually. In normal race routes this tends to be less noticeable because there are usually fewer checkpoints, but your suggestion about slightly smaller dots makes sense and would definitely improve visual clarity.
As I mentioned before, the system is not perfect and there is always room to improve. Personally I would also love to see the waypoint name displayed in the blue data field in the future. That could make aid station navigation even clearer during ultras. Let’s see how it evolves.
In any case I am really happy to hear you are excited about it. Enjoy testing it and playing with the different zoom options. I think once you try it during real activities you will see how powerful it is.
