Ocean firmware Q1/Q2 2025

karollos

Hi

When could we expect Ocean firmware Q1/Q2 2025? Is there any release schedule?

Thx
Karol

branko

@karollos
still no update , it’s starting to get frustrating

Brad_Olwin

@karollos because of diving functions, the Ocean updates will be more limited. This has been made clear and I would not expect 4 updates per year for the Ocean. There may be as few as one or two per year arising from more extensive testing.

ogillot

@Brad_Olwin the last one was in December 24, we could hope a new one before summer.

Brad_Olwin

@ogillot I hope my statement is clear, Suunto not the testers decide when firmware is ready for release. The Ocean has active firmware testing.

marbjo

@Brad_Olwin You are correct, this was very clear from the start and there are good reasons. However, I and probably many others, were expecting a delay of max 1-2 months per update. Certainly not over 6 months, as is the situation now.

diogao13

@marbjo

The argument is: Like any dive computer, the Suunto Ocean is a safety tool designed to keep you alive and healthy after diving, unlike other Suunto watches. However, when it comes to bugs and overall updates that could improve your safety and require faster attention, you’ll just have to keep waiting… for a long, long time… because it needs more testing.

Sascha Domres

@Brad_Olwin I can understand that the updates of the Ocean cannot be published at the same time. However, this was only communicated here in the forum. The normal buyer knows nothing about it and is rightly disappointed. Precisely because we are obviously not just talking about a period of 1-2 months. This update policy leads to incomprehension with a top model in this price range. Too bad, but with 1 to 2 updates a year, the watch will always hang behind and users will not be able to take full advantage of the innovations. The watch will age without exploiting the best potential.

Egika

@Sascha-Domres did Suunto communicate anywhere directly, that the same update cycle would apply as to other models?
If not, Suunto don’t need to explain why it is not this way.
And the forum user’s explanation is just what it is: additional information

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Sascha-Domres the watch is a crucial diving device and needs more thorough testing.

There is nowhere communicated about timelines even for all other watches.

When the update is well tested it will come.

Sascha Domres

@Egika That’s true… but still, you can still be disappointed. Of course, we’re talking about expectations here. I was expecting a flagship that combines both features: diving and the Vertical… similar to the Fenix 8… Nevertheless, Ocean users will have to wait a long time for improvements compared to the Vertical. Yes, Suunto didn’t promise anything here… and that’s exactly the feeling I have now… It’s a shame. Developments in sports watches are moving forward so quickly. For 800 EUR, I actually expect to have a modern watch for at least a certain amount of time. After 6 months without an update, I don’t feel that way.

Brad_Olwin

@Sascha-Domres You have a misguided opinion regarding the watch. It is a Flagship and without updates the Ocean is fully functional. Purchasing watches should be done with the feature set offered when sold, not on what you think may happen with updates. No manufacturer is obligated to update watches. (The Fenix 7/Epix line is now dead after less than a year!). I would have no issues with the current Ocean feature set and be extremely happy that Suunto is willing to update and spend time, resources and engage testers to update your product for free.

Highlands

@Brad_Olwin https://forums.garmin.com/outdoor-recreation/outdoor-recreation/f/fenix-7-series/414832/fenix-7-fenix-7-pro-system-software-22-06

VoiGAS

Also the Garmin descent mk3 is updated about every three month. And I guess they also respect the high standards of a dive computer. I don’t say its a must or Suunto promised something - just that it is possible and a competitor is doing it.
So its valid to have these expectations

Sascha Domres

@Brad_Olwin hi, I’m sorry, I don’t see it that way at all. The fact is, technical products mature at the customer. The difference is that Coros and even Garmin deliver updates quickly. Incidents Bug Fixes… The times when the user has to be grateful to the manufacturer that the purchased watch still receives an update are over. These have been the expectations of the users for a long time. You expect updates as long as the hardware plays along or at least quickly. We are not talking about analog watches here, but about technical or Software products…
But I understand that with the age of the watches the update frequencies and the rollout of any new functions is less and economic is also logical. 6 month without an Update for a new Watch is disapointing… and even the Epix or Garmin 7 and 6 get Updates…

Brad_Olwin

@Highlands Minor fixes, the 7 series will not receive any of the 8 series features that are unique to the 8 series. In contrast, prior to the 8, past fenix watches would acquire much of the features of the new models AFAIK.

Brad_Olwin

@Sascha-Domres I’ve used Suunto products since I purchased a Vector in 1998 and I am pleased with the way Suunto designs and operates their products. One always has a choice and if you don’t like how Suunto operates or their approach other choices are available. The only feature from the last update that I would miss on my Ocean is the colored altitude full course profile. But, I can live without the colors on that screen. Most of the updates I do not use.

Highlands

@Brad_Olwin you claim that F7 series are dead in less than a year which obviously is not true. Those series were launched on 18 of Jan 2022, so minor or not minor updates the watch is still being supported and updated after 3.5 years. Heck, even the F6 series are being updated - a model from Aug 2019 - https://forums.garmin.com/outdoor-recreation/outdoor-recreation/f/fenix-6-series/407527/system-software-28-02. Actually, the F7 is so good that I continue not buying the F8 or Enduro 3. How about 9 Peak or Suunto 7? Those are examples of watches that were updated for a very short period of time.

isazi

This is clearly going off topic.