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@isazi Fair enough
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@dulko79 In the Spanish forum someone said days for the new watch
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@Adrian.S this list should become much shorter soon
everybody is in anxious expectation for the habemus update
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@Stefano-M64 rule of thumb is one update every quarter, so we should expect one in June Iād say
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@cosme.costa said in Enough:
I am semi-professional ultra runner, so my cons of Vertical:
- There is no automatic screen lock (!), so you donāt have to click on the menu several times, but can focus on the descent and avoid breaking your legs.
I do not understand what you mean here, could you elaborate?
Sorry, I meant that locking watch should be easier, just like in the menu (assigned button) without activity enabled. When activity is enabled, you have to go to the menu and settings to enable screen lock.
This is dangerous because you have to look at your watch when, for example, you are running downhill fast.
The last firmware update has introduced some improvements to navigation, and one of them I think is that the tooth in the map indicates the distance to the next Waypoint or the end of the route if you do not have WPs in it, so you can add WPs to the route.
Thatās exactly what Iām talking about, these little shortcomings are annoying.
Way Pointā¦ Imagine manually creating waypoints for a 100 or 150 km route. Itās pointless.
Thatās why it should be done by the software, because the watch calculates the route anyway. If it can calculate a turn on the track, it should also be able to calculate how many kilometers to the next turn.
This is a very useful feature.
- no information about āperformance readinessā and āstaminaā ā for me, this often corresponds to how I feel during most workouts, regardless of the type: long runs, cross-country, stadium intervals, etc. Itās always a hint for analyzing your workout.
I do not use/care about this but I think most of this info is in Suunto coach.
Just as I said. In my case, this has been proven not by one training session, but by hundreds of running and cycling workouts. Itās not perfect, but in 90-95% of cases, it works in terms of how I feel after training and in the analysis of the data after training.
For now, I will test the data collected by Suunto during training sessions with my trainer and see if it was a bad idea to refresh my adventure with Suunto or if it was a good idea.
Although, as I mentioned, itās a nice and cool watch.
I have a question: why doesnāt SuuntoPlus allow to enable more than two apps at the same time during an activity? For example ZoneSense + Climb and only 2 limitations.
Itās a bit of a bummer because I can only run 1 app and 1 planned workout, which doesnāt make senseāitās another limitation on data collection from trening.
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@cosme.costa for me Suunto Race S is also very unreliable on wrist HR.
Just not reading the heart rate (stopping after a while) and cadence lockins. I have posted screenshots on this forum.
I never had these problems with a garmin forerunner 55. The el-cheapo garmin.
Reading decent (!) OHR on the wrist is a requirement for smart watches these days.
Race S has a beter OHR than Race (different sensors!). This is substandard for a 350 EUR watch.
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@brechtvb First of all, this is a requeriment for you not for me, different people have different needs. From what I have been reading and from my own experience, OHR, since S9PP, has improved greatly. Issues with OHR readings is not only a problem about the sensor and is more with the technology, and all the brands have them. Probably there are also lots of people with the FR55 that have bad HR readings as you have with the SRS. As an example, Garmin continue to produce and develop chest straps, Coros has an OHR arm band that all its athletes use, instead of the watch OHR, the same for Polar.
BTW, I wouldnāt call any of the actual Suunto a smartwatch, they do not have any āsmartā feature. They are sport watches.
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@brechtvb the problem is that different sensors work for different people. Race S is said to be better than the older ones. Apple Watch is said to be excellent, but I read from people where Apple Watch was not working at all. Very difficult topic.
YouTuber ActiveIdeas has a Vertical and says it is spot on for him.
For me the Race S is okay, using a velcro strap. However the strap that came with it gives worse reading. Even 196bpm while cycling home from work while breathing through my nose. A pity because I love that power orangeā¦
That said my Garmin Epix Pro let me down several times as well. 10bpm off while taking a walk in a parkā¦
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itās just not nice coming from a watch where you had the feeling the sensor was working to a new watch where you have the feeling it is not working.
it kinda feels like wasting money and leave you disappointed.
if the watch then also restarts from time to timeā¦though itās already been a few weeks without a restartā¦
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@Jaakers Well indeed, garmin and coros use the latest HR sensors. Unsure for apple and samsung.
If suunto uses an old unreliable HR sensor, one cannot ask such money for the watches.
Garmin just performs quite well for OHR even on cheap watches.
Some people donāt care about OHR, but we are in 2025 and integrating a lot of sensors in a watch, so we donāt have to use other tools.
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@isazi Last year it was March 25th (same as this year), then April 23rd, and finally May 21st. I would have expected at least a bug fix, if only for the Wi-Fi issue, which is quite annoying
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@Jaakers Well indeed, garmin and coros use the latest HR sensors. Unsure for apple and samsung.
If suunto uses an old unreliable HR sensor, one cannot ask such money for the watches.
Garmin just performs quite well for OHR even on cheap watches.
Some people donāt care about OHR, but we are in 2025 and integrating a lot of sensors in a watch, so we donāt have to use other tools.
As I said before this is not true. Coros has an OHR arm band that recommends to use to have good readings doing sports, you can check their athletes in Instagram, they do not use the watch OHR. Garmin has just presented a new chest strap. So, you have other tools and the brands are telling you, without telling you, that do not trust your OHR.
Is you are a little bit serious in any sports you wonāt rely in the watch OHR, in my opinion is only useful for daily tracking, very easy walks and night sleep.
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@cosme.costa said in Enough:
@Jaakers Well indeed, garmin and coros use the latest HR sensors.
If you practice any sport other than just recreational around your home, you use a chest band. No watch: Garmin, Coros, Suunto, Polar are not suitable for precise heart rate measurement and setting zones with the help of, for example, a watch.
When you go for a professional zones test, no one measures your heart rate from your watch, but from chest band
The Polar H10 seems to be the best and most accurate one available at the moment.
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@Adrian.S In fact, now a days, you can get your zones using ZoneSense with the chest strap. In my opinion ZoneSense is āthe featureā and a killer for the other brands, only for this the watch is worth the money.
I have the chest strap form Suunto, the Polar H10 and the Coros arm band, in my opinion the most comfortable is the coros armband but of course is not as reliable/quick reacting as the chest strap and not compatible with ZoneSense. Between the Polar H10 and the Suunto smart band I do not see any difference in accuracy and the Suunto is samller and more comfortable than the Polar, besides the Polar is more hard with the battery. In the other hand the Polar can have 2 simultaneous BT connections and one ANT+ whilst the Sunnto only one connection.
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5 more answers and hrv is not reliable anymoreā¦
i think most of us are not serious athletesā¦
but i had the feeling that running in the correct zones was doable with my previous watch and it probably (99% sure) was.
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@cosme.costa said in Enough:
@Jaakers Well indeed, garmin and coros use the latest HR sensors.
If you practice any sport other than just recreational around your home, you use a chest band. No watch: Garmin, Coros, Suunto, Polar are not suitable for precise heart rate measurement and setting zones with the help of, for example, a watch.
When you go for a professional zones test, no one measures your heart rate from your watch, but from chest band
The Polar H10 seems to be the best and most accurate one available at the moment.
Still not following this.
Garmin does a better OHR than suunto, itās a simple as that. All brands provide a chest strap, itās a different type of sensor, more accurate indeed.
But for many people that do some cycling/running/whatever and want a good indiciation of their heart rate, OHR is sufficient, and garmin does it better for less money.
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For whatever reason, Iām one of those who get wrong OHR readings from the Race. For example, it will regularly measure upwards of 90 BPM sitting still, when by manual method I can measure lower than 60 BPM.
With the right expectation, I can accept the error and use a chest monitor during exercise. The watch is so great, I told myself I would do just that and live with the OHR problems. But my biggest issue came with sleep monitoring and confirming cool down.
What is the point of accepting what is wrong generally 85% of the time when the data is used in calculated feedback? Itās an honest question, in the hope someone could give me some insight I didnāt considerā¦ seriously, Iām hoping for a reason to keep using this thing!
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Long time Suunto user here, you guys clearly didnāt use a Suunto 9/9 Baro, THAT was a watch with unreliable OHR.
Agreed with @cosme.costa, since S9P, Suuntoās OHR offering has been getting better and better, now SRS is the best OHR from Suunto (Suunto Run due in a few might take that crown due to less heavy materials
).Anyways, my advise for those seeing bad OHR on Suunto watches while exercising, just try a couple of things:
A) wear it on your less dominant hand (it does make a difference, at least it does on me)
B) wear it at least once finger width above wrist bone like shown below :
Read more tips from Suunto on how to get better OHR readings here.
https://us.suunto.com/pages/how-to-get-more-accurate-wrist-heart-rate-readingsEither way, if you own a Suunto, ZoneSense is such a hook, should have you interested in wearing HR chest strap most of the time
Hope that helps.
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A long time suunto user as well. A few points:
- The oHR is decent should you keep your wrist a bit steady. If the way is to wear thw watch a bit higher or to have a different strap, or by how you clench your fistā¦ itās up to you. I measured this multiple times and is like spot on. Otherwise it does fluctuate, but does it really matter? If it does, wear a chest strap , if it doesnāt , it doesnāt really matter .
- I cannot understand why would anyone care about sleep tracking through a consumer productā¦ You do know that your body was created to give you those indicators right? One may argue that it is advertised it does make a differenceā¦ You are right, most sportsā watches do ā¦ but itās time to get back to reality and understand, itās almost as accurate as coffee fortune telling ā¦
- do you like the watch? use it, you donāt like it and you can afford to replace, do so.
- Do you train for the number of metrics shown or for the training/fun/exercise/experience ? if itās the latter, use your watches for what it was made forā¦ if its the formerā¦ then there are better options that have hundreds of metrics with quite broad usage (not questionable value)
There are people who train as if they are in a hamster wheel , others who do it for fun, others who are professionals etcā¦ I donāt train/exercise to make a living neither do I do it because someone (or a watch) tells me so . I do it because i Like it hence i quite enjoy my vertical
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Iāve been using or testing other brands than Suunto : Garmin, coros, polar
None of any model of any brand works fine on me while exercising.
Iām using HR strap if I want accuracy.
Some of my close friend have excellent accuracy with Suuntos, other with Garmins. Not me.
Its not a disappointment : itās works fine for daily and sleep tracking, and I use hr strap because I want accuracy anyway while exercising and also zonesens.
