Training readiness would be great for an upcoming update !
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@James-Eastwood For me the difference is the HRV number is a measurement with a known way of determination. With the Garmin number, while the factors are listed, as far as I know the math to get the final number is not really shown. Additionally, I think I find some friction when also considering Suunto’s Resources metric (Garmin’s Body Battery) that’s also a 100 point scale in both cases. Can there be times one has low body battery / resources but high readiness, or vice versa, and if/when that happens, what does that mean?
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In latest iOS beta there is Recovery state chart under Recovery tab. It is impacted by training load, sleep data including HRV and daily activity such as stress tracking. Recovery state is a measure how well body is recovered and ready for sport activities. Looks great. I guess it could also be used as base for training adaptive plans in the future.
App: beta
Phone: Iphone
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@dulko79 should also come to Android in next release
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The new Recovery feature is in the App Store for iOS — beta not required. Here’s how it looks:
Note at the time I took this screenshot, at the same time my Resources read as 34% (I had run 11km earlier in the day), but also says I had 78% wake up resources.
I interpret this as Recovery is telling my “best state” as I first wake up, and does not update throughout the day. This is fine but not completely clear in the info shown. If I wanted to do an additional workout now, I would not trust the “93%” showing on Recovery. Instead, I’d look to either the 34% Resources or my 86 CTL / 95 ATL / -2 Form, which means right now tomorrow will be at -9 Form. I could do a little bit more but not another 10km run, despite 93% Recovery still showing.
Clicking the info on the top right of the Recovery area gives this information
I’m not sure what’s up with the different fonts used there. A bit weird.
There’s no way to “open” the graph and get discrete information on other days, that I can see, which is a limitation I also have in other areas, like the daily heart rate graph. Additionally, there’s no “widget shortcut” to put on the home page, although one can select the HRV widget to quickly get to that area.
As an aside, I find the Training Zone tab overloaded, with Overview / Summary / Training / Progess / Recovery / Activity areas all bundled together. I think this is due to having five tabs on the bottom: Home, Calendar, Training Zone, Maps, and Settings/Profile.
I’d remove the Profile tab, and instead on the Home page put an icon on top to get Settings/Profile (where on the left is the Watch icon, and on the right is a + with some menu items and notifications. Put a Gear symbol up there on the right, and now you’re down to four tabs, and can split Training Zone up a little bit.
When I select the heart rate widget on the Home page, I get a “Today” screen, that starts with a summary of distance / time / calories, then an activity log for the day, sleep data, resources, heart rate graph and stops and calorie graphs. This Today screen isn’t in the Calendar tab though, and the Activity bubble in Training Zone also gives steps/calories but in a scrolling view showing multiple days. If one wants to go from “daily view” of calories/steps to the scrolling view, it’s two different areas.
There’s a lot of good info in Suunto app, and it’s not horribly organized but there are areas of improvement that could be done.
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First actual morning with the new Training feature and I’m minorly surprised.
I scored 93% again, “optimal recovery” which is good of course. However, my overnight heart rate only got to a minimum 54bpm. Previous three nights were 48bpm, 49bpm, and 47bpm. My internal model is that not going below 50bpm is a bit of a warning. My average HR was 58bpm, previous three nights were all 52bpm average.
Note that my wake-up Resources today was 65%, which is classified High, but for me a bit lower than usual. The previous three days were 81%, 82%, and 85%, respectively. This seems more in line with what I’d expect.
Minimum heart rate is not listed as a direct factor for the Recovery score which likely explains the discrepancy.
HRV is though, and that was fine 45ms in my range of 41-48, and Sleep was in normal range. My Form today is -9 also in a typical range for me.
I also wear an Apple Watch and one metric I get from that is my respiratory rate, which is slightly elevated at 16.5 br/min, typical range 14-16.3.
Overall, I don’t think this is a major problem, given Suunto is warning me by the slightly lower Resources and showing my the overnight HR data (but now curious why it doesn’t do respiratory rate as well) but 93% is a bit too optimistic. I would have guessed 80-85% perhaps.
Unless the metric simply didn’t update from yesterday?
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@raven it wouldn’t suprise me if HRV has a very high weighting considering its reliability for suggesting your readiness. If that is the case, I think your score makes sense.
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@James-Eastwood said in Training readiness would be great for an upcoming update !:
@raven it wouldn’t suprise me if HRV has a very high weighting considering its reliability for suggesting your readiness. If that is the case, I think your score makes sense.
Certainly based on the descriptions given, average/minimum heart rate doesn’t seem to be factored, which is why I suspect that didn’t affect things when that was a bit high. You might be right on HRV being dominated, but then this new feature does not do much that the HRV “green / yellow/ red” does, at least from my perspective.
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@raven I’m not sure that’s right anyway. Checked mine and it is currently 52%, which seems way too high. My HRV absolutely crashed last night after a 432 TSS event (and, naturally, a couple of beers after). I’d expect it to be well below 30%.
7 day average seems to be the dominant HRV value, but the last value is much more indicative to me.
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Training readiness is something nice to have, but do people actually follow what the app is telling them? I know how I feel when I wake up, for example today I am tired and fatigued, but the app is telling me I am almost at the peak of my recovery : ) I rather check my resting HR in the morning and maybe HRV, but I know my body and know when to push through and when to rest.
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@timecode said in Training readiness would be great for an upcoming update !:
Training readiness is something nice to have, but do people actually follow what the app is telling them? I know how I feel when I wake up, for example today I am tired and fatigued, but the app is telling me I am almost at the peak of my recovery : ) I rather check my resting HR in the morning and maybe HRV, but I know my body and know when to push through and when to rest.
For myself, I’m going to continue to check all the data I previous was: overall sleep time last night and sleep trend last few days, overnight HRV and HRV trend, overnight minimum heart rate and average heart rate, my “Resources” value, and my CTL ATL Form from Suunto, in addition to how I feel in terms of muscular strain, etc. This new Readiness number, at the moment, just adds a little bit, mostly a puzzle to determine how it is getting its value. If it had been a simple “ready, warning, stop” with no number, then I’d have nothing to analyze and could quickly check and leave it. Note I don’t think they should simplify it now that it’s in this form. I wouldn’t mind a more detailed explanation of how it is doing the math to come up with the score, so I don’t feel the urge to try to scrutinize it.
