How Long Wiill It Take A New User's Metrics To "Normalize"?

TrailEyes

My wife recently came over to Suunto from Coros. She’s been running for several years, including ultra distances, and has what most would consider to be an abnormally high HR.

For the roughly 6 weeks that she’s used Suunto, her CTL and ATL metrics are contributing to a deep negative Form and the app constantly saying she’s “going too hard.” This intensity is maintained even with walks or yoga as her only daily activity.

She’s definitely not overdoing it. I assume the data appears this way because, as far as the SA knows, she basically went from zero recorded workouts to doing 8 activities and 25 miles a week. I had assumed by now, SA would start to recognize her actual baseline and not give her credit for a dog walk being a strenuous workout, etc

It’s been several years since I joined Suunto, so I don’t remember how long it took my numbers to feel right. I wasn’t doing ultras yet or even regularly sleeping with a watch on, so I know it was probably different for me back then anyway. Nowadays, I’ll admit that Form is the first thing I look at every morning because it genuinely is an amazing reflection of where I am with training and recovery. I want my wife to be able to appreciate it too! But first, it has to become accurate.

Egika

@TrailEyes just to make sure: have you set up the max and min HR correctly in the watch?

Mff73

@TrailEyes
not expert here, but i may assume that CTL is based over past 42 days (which is exactely 6 weeks).
i assume also you are right to think it should normalize, but maybe just from now.
in parallel, did she setup up her zones accordingly to her high HR ? And checked that each activity is using the “correct” TSS value (either HR, power, etc…) ?
and last, are all her TSS values really high ? I think TSS values are independant of “shape”, but TSS values are contributing differently to CTL/ATL according to current shape (thus taking into account past 42 days).

TrailEyes

@Egika @Mff73
I definitely tried to make sure that her HR zones are set up right … actually set them a little higher than what they were in her Coros.

I will have to double check to see if they’re pulling in HR as the key metric instead of power, etc. I assume it defaults to HR, so that’s something I don’t look at often. I’ll do a deeper look at what her daily TSS numbers are showing too.

Thanks!

Josaiplu

Hi maybe importing old data from coros to Suunto using rungap could help it did it when I transitioned and my metrics were good

If you use android it is another app to migrate the data let me know

Ps run gap is a paid app but 3 months is 5€ or something equivalent

enriqueescoms

@Josaiplu said in How Long Wiill It Take A New User's Metrics To "Normalize"?:

Hi maybe importing old data from coros to Suunto using rungap could help it did it when I transitioned and my metrics were good

If you use android it is another app to migrate the data let me know

Ps run gap is a paid app but 3 months is 5€ or something equivalent

I did just that and it worked for me.

Brad_Olwin

@TrailEyes set up power and pace zones as well, these may affect TSS depending on how TSS is calculated.

Mff73

@Josaiplu said in How Long Wiill It Take A New User's Metrics To "Normalize"?:

Hi maybe importing old data from coros to Suunto using rungap could help it did it when I transitioned and my metrics were good

If you use android it is another app to migrate the data let me know

Ps run gap is a paid app but 3 months is 5€ or something equivalent

just be aware (from my own latest notice) that imported activities from outside will not have the proper HR zones from user’s watch, but from defaulted ones.
So in this case, it may give some historical data, yes, but maybe not that good neither.
Dilemna.

TrailEyes

@Josaiplu said in How Long Wiill It Take A New User's Metrics To "Normalize"?:

If you use android it is another app to migrate the data let me know

Thanks, this may be a good piece of it. We are Android users btw

TrailEyes

@Brad_Olwin Good thought! I’m pretty sure we haven’t tinkered with them on her watch before. Thanks!

Josaiplu

@TrailEyes Nobody’s perfect… (just kidding !!)

The android app is SyncMyTrack (and it’s free if i remember well)

TrailEyes

@Josaiplu Thanks!