How is the 9PP positioned with the new arrival of the RaceS?

VoiGAS

@Mauerwegler You are right, Race S is just “Developed in Finland” regarding to the website and produced in China. If now everything in build in China, then my next watch is from Coros.
To bad I ordered the Race S exactly today, I’ll check if I can cancel. For me thats a Gamechanger - but the negative one

VoiGAS

@Mauerwegler Same for the Vertical!!!

Egika

@VoiGAS my Race S is “designed and made in Finland”

VoiGAS

@Egika Yes, it must have changed in the last days. My Race S should arrive in 2-3 days, then we will see…

far-blue

I believe there was a forum topic about this when the Race was released. If I remember correctly, watches are being manufactured both in China and in Finland, with the Finland production targeted at Europe distribution and China production covering the rest of the world. Of course, if there is surplus stock in one location it is likely to get moved around. With multiple manufacturing locations it would just be messy to explain that on the website.

Maryn

@VoiGAS my race s will arrive tomorrow . I will let you know

isazi

@VoiGAS isn’t Coros made in China too?

VoiGAS

@isazi Thats why - then thats no difference anymore. And if its good enough for Kilian Jornet, it will be good enough for me . But maybe I am lucky and I still get one from the finish production batch

isazi

@VoiGAS unfortunately, you don’t get paid to wear it, like Kilian

Todd Danielczyk

@VoiGAS @isazi I stated this a while back where the distinction being gone make the already saturated market space even more so.

https://forum.suunto.com/post/146330

To me it comes down to price alone at that point. That is not how I prefer to make my decisions and one of the reasons I went with Suunto in the first place.

Ze Stuart

@isazi yes, from watching videos with Killian talking about his training, his watch seems to be unnecessary to him. I remember one asking him if he used maps on his watch, and he said something like ‘no, I’d prefer to explore’.

VoiGAS

@Ze-Stuart Yes, but he seemed proud to show his (thousands) of yearly training hours. And he is absolutly right to do it. So he at least used the watch…

VoiGAS

@isazi said in How is the 9PP positioned with the new arrival of the RaceS?:

@VoiGAS unfortunately, you don’t get paid to wear it, like Kilian

I can ask . But you could be right…

VoiGAS

@isazi said in How is the 9PP positioned with the new arrival of the RaceS?:

@VoiGAS unfortunately, you don’t get paid to wear it, like Kilian

Regarding Coros as a Suunto alternative: I would prefer Coros Pace 3 over 9PP for a similar price. But for Race S there is no competition in Coros Land, the Apex is much more expensive - and the Pace has no maps. So I think I’ll keep the Race S, even if its made in China. Same for Garmin, 265 has no maps, 965 is much more expensive.

Suunto really found a sweetspot with the Race S

@Umer-Javed I still use the A3P and after 2 battery replacements (almost 9 years so far) I started looking around (it still works wonderfully but after so many years I would like to see something else on my wrist). The SRS is very tempting but I am not convinced yet.

@VoiGAS said in How is the 9PP positioned with the new arrival of the RaceS?:

and the Pace has no maps

Coros recently added a nice feature called Screen Mirroring that allows you to view data or navigation w/ maps on your phone. Sure, it’s not the same as having maps on the watch, but it’s definitely a useful and interesting addition.

VoiGAS

@ferns Nice! For navigation it would be great to have it the other way round, but still a nice and innovative feature!

VoiGAS

@ferns As I had the Ambit3 Vertical, the 9 Peak and now the Race S I think I can say a little bit about the differences.

Ambit3 is still great. The big advantages you get with the new ones is OHR, Running Power and the depth meter for snorkeling. There are some other features of course, but for a sportswatch I think these are the relevant.
Between 9PP and SRS the Race S its not so easy like I thought. SRS has maps, 9PP is better build and cheaper. Regarding the display I like the size of the SRS more than the small one in the 9PP.
AMOLED vs MIP is for me a big suprise. AMOLED in the SRS is really eye candy indoor and has also a good visibility outdoor. But I don’t like that its dark most of the time. It reacts late on lifting the arm and darkens again after a few seconds. MIP on the 9PP can be always on without big battery drain and has a great visibility outdoor.

I am not unhappy with the SRS, but in some moments I think the 9PP would have been the better choice. But if you choose the wrong way on a Y crossing in unknown areas often enough the maps are really welcome.

So: Get the SRS just because its the cheapest way to have a GPS watch with maps

VoiGAS

An update here after more usage: Yes, maps are great - but not as much as I thought. After a longer Trail Run today I noticed that about 50% of the trails on Y crossings were not in the map. So it also didn’t help in this case. And in the case where it helped I’m not sure if I would also be able to find the right way with the old maps.

And Display: AMOLED is rubbish. I really, really hate it after I did some workouts and the longer run today. Its like the watch is trying to work against you, turning of the screen all the time. Even when I activated AOD in every sportsmode the map still gets dark until its not readable anymore. And still, after 9h running with navigation the battery was below 50%.

I’m sure the 9PP works equal or better for sports with navigation. For 50€ less I think I made the wrong choice with the Race S.

I can live with it as I don’t plan to do a 100k, but still this performance is underwhelming. Hopefully there is an update making the map readable without pushing a button every 20 seconds or so…

wakarimasen

@VoiGAS said in How is the 9PP positioned with the new arrival of the RaceS?:

And Display: AMOLED is rubbish. I really, really hate it after I did some workouts and the longer run today. Its like the watch is trying to work against you, turning of the screen all the time. Even when I activated AOD in every sportsmode the map still gets dark until its not readable anymore. And still, after 9h running with navigation the battery was below 50%.

That’s really interesting for me. I also have a 9PP which I love, except the display is too small for me when running. I’ve considered both the Race and the Vertical, and really haven’t been able to decide between the two. I’ve been leaning towards the Vertical, because I’m also not so sure about AMOLED displays, so your feedback is very valuable.