Sport modes supporting Vo2max measurement (suunto vertical)

@dbefas Wow, In the two months I’ve used my Vertical, and finished many runs, and especially many mountain hikes and walks (probably around 90-100 activities in total) I have never seen that screen. Hard resets, soft resets, H10 chest strap, perfect conditions many times…

Maybe I should just RMA this watch.

mlakis

@neonix, make sure you have provided all the info like sex, age, weight, rest HR, max HR etc.

It might be that the algorithm needs to take all these into account.

@mlakis said in Sport modes supporting Vo2max measurement (suunto vertical):

@neonix, make sure you have provided all the info like sex, age, weight, rest HR, max HR etc.

It might be that the algorithm needs to take all these into account.

I have. Multiple times. Everything is correct. And I have over 1600 activities in my Suunto account. And I have tried hard resets and soft resets. I have tried with the IOS and Android apps. I have tried with the built in HR sensor and Polar H10. And I had two weeks with a Vertical and Garmin Fenix 7 Pro on my right wrist, and the Garmin read my vo2max with zero issues. So the issue is the Suunto. Not me, or the settings, or the chest strap. Flaky and unreliable software at best.

isazi

@neonix sorry but I got my VO2max on the Vertical after the first run I did. similar to most people, so your “flaky and unreliable at best” comment is laughable at best

@isazi said in Sport modes supporting Vo2max measurement (suunto vertical):

@neonix sorry but I got my VO2max on the Vertical after the first run I did. similar to most people, so your “flaky and unreliable at best” comment is laughable at best

Helpful comment when trying to come to terms with all the bugs. Thanks for your help. Glad the moderators here set such a good example. “It worked for me so it must be you”. Reminds me of the iPhone 4, where due to a bad antenna design, people would drop calls if holding the phone “wrong” according to Apple… I guess I am wearing the watch wrong. Please tell me how to wear it right so that it works.

isazi

@neonix using your own medicine dear, does it taste good?

“if it works for me it must be you” is the same as “if it does not work for me it must be you”. Now, either the issue is more nuanced, or we are two idiots. And I bet, it’s the latter

@isazi said in Sport modes supporting Vo2max measurement (suunto vertical):

@neonix using your own medicine dear, does it taste good?

“if it works for me it must be you” is the same as “if it does not work for me it must be you”. Now, either the issue is more nuanced, or we are two idiots. And I bet, it’s the latter

Seems to me you are taking my input personal, when all it is is frustrations about a 800 euro watch not doing what it is advertised to do (for me). I have tried all suggestions many times, and naturally, when things still don’t work I become frustrated.

If you take statements like “flaky and unreliable software at best” personal, then maybe you are not a good fit to be a moderator on the watch manufacturers support forum. That’s all I have to say to you.

sartoric

@neonix said in Sport modes supporting Vo2max measurement (suunto vertical):

If you take statements like “flaky and unreliable software at best” personal,

Maybe he just think it is “unfair” as a generic statement.

For sure something is not working for your case.
Why, What ?
Human error, software issue, hardware issue, bad HR readings, too slow pace ? Who knows

But we’re going OT

isazi

@neonix said in Sport modes supporting Vo2max measurement (suunto vertical):

If you take statements like “flaky and unreliable software at best” personal, then maybe you are not a good fit to be a moderator on the watch manufacturers support forum. That’s all I have to say to you.

And here I believe is where you got it all wrong, this is not the support forum, this is a community forum so your frustration on this forum is directed at other users like you, some of them even using their personal time to help you answer a question that no one on this planet can answer except you: why a feature of your watch is not working for you.

sartoric

… aaaaand he left

that’s probably what’s supposed to be a “discussion”

mfreire

@isazi not wanting to pick sides here but definitely he’s not the only one with a V02 Max problem. I myself am using the Vertical for more than a month now with multiple runs and still don’t have a V02 max estimation. Taking a quick look at the forum and I can find many others with the same issue. I know here is just a forum of users and not the right place to resolve the issue but I get he’s frustrated

BrunoH

@mfreire it’s also about the lack of communication and precise info from Suunto. I personally asked the VO2max requirements from Suunto support when the user manual was being too vague. Since then I’ve been under the impression of having to run at Z3 for some 15 minutes.

Today I learned that someone got their result by walking with HR under 113 bpm

I’ve had Vertical for a year now and I’ve never seen my VO2max. I can live without it, but all this hidden or contradicting information sucks big time.

raceaddict

@BrunoH Is these advises useful for you ? https://www.facebook.com/groups/suunto.fr/posts/7261180257283408/?_rdr

SUUNTO RACE-RUNNING ESTIMATED
If you’re not getting estimates, I have a couple of tips you can try
-Sports mode “Running”

Use WHR and not HR belt
-Flat route
-Make sure your runs have at least 10 minutes of running in HR Zone 2 or higher and good GNSS (GPS) tracking (it usually is, but just in case).
We have a nice S+ “HR Zone Duration” app to measure time in HR zones
-Do 3 races that meet the above criteria.
ENJOY

GiPFELKiND

@raceaddict said in Sport modes supporting Vo2max measurement (suunto vertical):

@BrunoH Is these advises useful for you ? https://www.facebook.com/groups/suunto.fr/posts/7261180257283408/?_rdr

SUUNTO RACE-RUNNING ESTIMATED
If you’re not getting estimates, I have a couple of tips you can try
-Sports mode “Running”

Use WHR and not HR belt

WHY use only WRIST HR and No Suunto Belt? That doesnt make sense… Same procedure with Lactat Treshhold?! Totally not understand this procedure…

sartoric

@GiPFELKiND
Those are common suggestions for RACE.
Except the belt thing, are valid for SV as well

BrunoH

@raceaddict well it is completely different from what the support told me. Which proves my point, why can’t we see exact requirements from Suunto online manual? I can’t bother looking for instructions from some random Facebook pages.

raceaddict

@BrunoH It is not exactly a random facebook post as Joaquin Perez is a sponsored Suunto athlete very active as Suunto ambassador https://www.youtube.com/c/JoaquinPérezSuuntoExpert/videos
I expect him to have first class information

BrunoH

@raceaddict respect to Joaquin, but Suunto should definitely improve their docs. An ambassadeur’s tips and tricks on social media can’t replace official documentation.

Considering the number of people in this forum who have found OHR unreliable, I really find Joaquin’s instructions pretty puzzling. The forum’s field testers keep telling everybody to use HR strap instead, because OHR reliability differs between individuals.

And to make my own situation even worse I just broke a toe 🫣

raceaddict

@BrunoH The use of the OHR is to unlock the estimates after 3 runs. After you are free to use external belt sensor.

GiPFELKiND

@raceaddict said in Sport modes supporting Vo2max measurement (suunto vertical):

@BrunoH The use of the OHR is to unlock the estimates after 3 runs. After you are free to use external belt sensor.

That is very unusually. Why trust the “not good” OHR Sensor for estimates? When the belt got very good measurement? And after 3 runs we have to use the belt? Sorry that doesnt make sense. Otherwise if i got estimates after 3 runs with Belt that make much more sense. After that i could use only OHR measurement.