is a system update coming ?
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@olymay said in is a system update coming ?:
Or do you simply rant every time something goes wrong and say it is unacceptable?
Well, in the past I’ve been a fw developer, written miles of code, assembly, c, with different uCs, different platforms.
I spent most of my time hunting and debugging bugs so I’m absolutely aware of what I’m talking about. Things have changed today and I’m really sorry and disappointed that debugging time doesn’t take the proper relevance in the development and I do not justify at all what you’re trying to pass as a normal because of complexity. Let me say: such a childish excuse. -
@walker said in is a system update coming ?:
@olymay said in is a system update coming ?:
Or do you simply rant every time something goes wrong and say it is unacceptable?
Well, in the past I’ve been a fw developer, written miles of code, assembly, c, with different uCs, different platforms.
I spent most of my time hunting and debugging bugs so I’m absolutely aware of what I’m talking about. Things have changed today and I’m really sorry and disappointed that debugging time doesn’t take the proper relevance in the development and I do not justify at all what you’re trying to pass as a normal because of complexity. Let me say: such a childish excuse.And in all of your time as a debugger you never ever made a mistake or missed something?
And again, I ask the question, do you rant and scream and throw a tantrum every time that something throws a wobble or has a crash?
Because if you do, that is way more childish than accepting that not everything in the world is perfect and that mistakes do happen and that computer systems do have wobbles now and then.
Yes I will tut, shake my had, and be a little annoyed. But shouting about it will not get anybody anywhere. I report every issue I find through the support channels (how else will developers know what is going on) and then I get the heck on with my life. -
@walker well you understand that this excuse is not per se a developers excuse.
If for example Google drops wear OS support for x cpu etc its more complicated.
In general I do agree with your point of view as of a holistic approach but in reality it gets flanky.
(Personal opinion)
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@olymay
scream and throw tantrums? I hope you are joking. I have always been kind in the posts, I have only firmly expressed my point of view with no intention of discrediting anyone. Maybe I wasn’t able to express myself at my best and if so I apologize. -
@walker I was only asking a question, I made no accusations.
You stated that it is unacceptable for an item of technology to have a wobble or crash once in a six month period, and implied it is unacceptable for it to happen at all.
I simply commented that this happens with pretty much any and every type of technology (Android, iPhone, PC, Apple, Garmin, Suunto, LG, any and all). I stated that yes it is frustrating, but it is not unacceptable.
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@olymay said in is a system update coming ?:
And you called me childish. Not very nice.
No olymay you misunderstood that. Was not aimed at you, at all!
meant to say that complexity is used as an excuse sometimes.ok?
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@walker said in is a system update coming ?:
@olymay said in is a system update coming ?:
And you called me childish. Not very nice.
No olymay you misunderstood that. Was not aimed at you, at all!
meant to say that complexity is used as an excuse sometimes.ok?
Ah, ok, fair enough, my whoops. I’ll get down off my box now
sorry.I do think we can be a bit more forgiving towards the developers who write the software for these devices. I don’t for a second think that any of them think “ah, that’s close enough” (i’ve worked with people like that and it drove me up the wall!).
I believe they all want to release perfect software that never has an issue.
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@olymay
ok, now I feel better
again just to clarify further, if it is not given them the right amount of time to catch and fix bugs is not a developer fault of course!
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@walker Ha ha yes, I think on this we can agree fully
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@walker I agree completely with you in regards to the bug issue. Nowdays tech devices come are luanched at the beta stage. we have seen this with every device recently launched, especially in the wearables market. Garmin 945 LTE (major bugs and issues around display), S9 Peak came out with certain functions now working properly. GW4 has had some major issues and already had 2-3 firmware updates (and it isn’t even a month old). I could go on and on - its prevalent in virtually the whole tech market.
Its a cold hard reality now that initial customers are the company’s bug testers (way spend money on a team when your initial customers will do it for you)…
Yeah- and I get that’s its initial and a product over a year/two year old shouldn’t have issues like that - and maybe it wouldn’t if it wasn’t a completely closed environment. But the reality is that it isn’t. Any potential app you install can affect the operation of your watch, any wear os update can cause crashing issues like this - and have done so in the past (September last year wear os changed something in the silence phone settings, which was causing any suunto 7 watch using that feature to crash - nothing to do with Suunto, other than they had to find it - thanks to the hard work of members in the forum here, and then had to adjust their suunto app to work around that feature - doesn’t make it suunto’s fault). As a person who works in this field - you should know and understand this, and adjust for this.
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So, with Android 12 releasing today, and Windows 11 releasing tomorrow, what chance is there of something coming for the Suunto 7 on Wednesday? It would make it a nice hat-trick of updates this week
But in all seriousness, could Suunto at least provide some sort of feedback as to whether we will get any further system updates for the S7 please?
@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos are you able to help out?
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@olymay don’t think they would say because it might hurt their sales. I think like others have postulated on here, that Suunto have been blindsided by Google on the Wear OS 3 situation.
It’s a real shame as Suunto put their backs into the development and were the only ones that got the 12-15hrs GPS tracking battery life out of the 3100 co-processor. You have the Ticwatch Pro 3 that has added SpO2 and now AFib (with the Ultra released this week), but the actual sports smarts are nowhere near the Suunto 7.
So from now on I think sadly any future firmware updates will just be bug fixes and security patch level updates, nothing more
By the way, here in Australia at least, the Suunto 7 has had its price dropped to $249 AUD in the last week or so. So I think that naturally being a WearOS watch with the depreciation and all, that was bound to happen.
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Even if the S7 gets no more updates, we will at least still benefit from updates to the phone app. My old SSU for instance is supported for training load.
Really hope we se a gen. 2 when Wear 3.0 becomes available to other manufacturers though. Hoping they are secretly working on it and can’t talk about it because of some silly Google requirement. In which case we will probably have to go quite a while with no info.
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@aleksander-h I really, REALLY hope you are right with this.
I’m referring to the second part of your post, as I fully agree that we will benefit from updates to the Suunto App on the phone
I desperately hope there is a second gen S7, with more advanced activity/training features.
I love having a WearOS watch (gotten so used to it that leaving it would be hard to get used to) but I am also now starting to think about a device with more advanced features and customisation in the fitness smarts.
I am loving being part of the Suunto family, so currently have half an eye on the Suunto 9 Peak. But… I also have a buddy with a Garmin Fenix 6X Pro and I cannot help but have some serious gear envy!
I may not need something as advanced as a F6XPro, but I want! (I like having high end tech, i like shiny things, and I’m lucky enough to be able to afford it).
I am estimating that if a S7 replacement does come then it will be spring 2022, as this would give Suunto time to develop for WearOS 3 and plenty of time after the (idiotic) agreement between Google and Samsung. It would also be roughly two years after the launch of the original S7, which would be a good time for a replacement in my eyes.
So spring is when I will be in the market for a new device. Whether that is a S7v2, a S9P, or a Garmin F6XPro (or a 7??) only time will tell
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@olymay said in is a system update coming ?:
although I can say right now I want it to be a new S7
Same. If no gen 2 comes along I’ll be using my S7 until the battery is no longer holding up. I just hope there is a good alternative by then. Samsung doesn’t seem all that concerned about GPS accuracy on their watches
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@aleksander-h I love my S7 and will use it for as long as I can.
However, I do want some more advanced features - external sensor support (HR and power), proper intervals, structured training plans (like the coach on Garmin etc), etc.
I’m also concerned that it soon stop receiving security updates. As it is linked to my Google account and GPay, I am keen for it to be as secure as possible.
Call me paranoid, but as soon as a device of mine stops getting security updates then it’s gone. (although I usually upgrade long before then, I like shiny things to much) -
@olymay said in is a system update coming ?:
However, I do want some more advanced features - external sensor support (HR and power), proper intervals, structured training plans (like the coach on Garmin etc), etc.
Although there are several features such as this which I miss from other watches such as the Fenix 5 and SSU, I would probably miss WearOS more if I was to change.
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@aleksander-h said in is a system update coming ?:
@olymay said in is a system update coming ?:
However, I do want some more advanced features - external sensor support (HR and power), proper intervals, structured training plans (like the coach on Garmin etc), etc.
Although there are several features such as this which I miss from other watches such as the Fenix 5 and SSU, I would probably miss WearOS more if I was to change.
That’s exactly the conundrum I would be facing if there is no S7 version 2
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I wish they would still work on at least a few things.
- autopause
- sync between suunyo app and s7 - if I record an activity with another suunto watch it would be synced to s7 from suunto app
- possibility to use suunto hr belt memory function for example in recording team sport activities.
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@jantikainen said in is a system update coming ?:
I wish they would still work on at least a few things.
- autopause
- sync between suunyo app and s7 - if I record an activity with another suunto watch it would be synced to s7 from suunto app
- possibility to use suunto hr belt memory function for example in recording team sport activities.
For me it would be,
- autopause
- customizable hr zones
Other than that, I don’t feel I’m missing much (although I completely understand those who want hr belt support).
