is a system update coming ?

olymay

@aleksander-h said in is a system update coming ?:

@jamie-bg said in is a system update coming ?:

Plus a lot of their health features are really gimmicky, as the tech really isn’t there yet, and especially not in a watch.

But will most normal users even be aware of that, of simply brag about everything their watch can do?

And this is also accurate! People will brag that their watch measures blood pressure, when in actual fact it does no such thing (and even what it does it isn’t accurate or even consistent at!).

Aleksander H

Maybe Suunto could pivot. Take the work they’ve done and rebrand it as a standalone version of Sports Tracker for WearOS. Then they could lock access to it behind the premium membership and make it available for all WearOS watches.

The new health service app might allow them to relatively easily grab the data they need for things like resources, etc.

I wonder how much of their code is dependent on specific hardware .

olymay

@aleksander-h I really hope not, as I love the Suunto hardware as much as I love the software.

@olymay said in is a system update coming ?:

Regarding glitches, there aren’t many glitches with the S7 anymore as most have been fixed. I think I’ve only had one wobble with mine in the last 6 months

from my point of view, frankly speakin, not even a crash and/or a reboot once a year is acceptable. period.

olymay

@walker said in is a system update coming ?:

@olymay said in is a system update coming ?:

Regarding glitches, there aren’t many glitches with the S7 anymore as most have been fixed. I think I’ve only had one wobble with mine in the last 6 months

from my point of view, frankly speakin, not even a crash and/or a reboot once a year is acceptable. period.

sounds to me (just my point of view) that you are expecting perfection, in which case you will be very disappointed constantly.

A smartwatch is a very complex piece of kit running complex software. And many, many people using them in different ways with different combinations of aps installed.
If you think there will never be any issues then frankly you are living in la-la land.

@olymay said in is a system update coming ?:

If you think there will never be any issues then frankly you are living in la-la land.

please, read again what I wrote. ymmv, I understand.

olymay

@walker said in is a system update coming ?:

@olymay said in is a system update coming ?:

If you think there will never be any issues then frankly you are living in la-la land.

please, read again what I wrote. ymmv, I understand.

Your words were:

“from my point of view, frankly speakin, not even a crash and/or a reboot once a year is acceptable. period.”

Which is saying that you will not accept a crash and/or a reboot once a year.

If you never experience any issues with anything you own, then you either own some incredible devices, that are tuned to perfection by the worlds best, and you use them absolutely perfectly.
Or so far you have been the worlds luckiest user.
Or you live off grid in the forest with no tech to actually go wrong (in which case, how you write on his forum is pretty clever!).

All I am saying is that no technology is perfect and will, and does, have issues. Some are more than others (I’m looking at you Sky Q!!!) but on the whole most are not that common. But they do happen.

Saying that not even even a crash or reboot once a year is acceptable, is crazy talk, especially with a device that is used for every minute of every day of the year (usually without rebooting or turning it off). If you left a laptop turned on 24/7 then it would most definitely have a few issues throughout the year.

My Suunto 7 has had one wobble in six months, which is better than any previous WearOS device I’ve used. Better than any Garmin device I’ve used. Better than any Withings device I’ve used. Heck, even my cheapo Casio plastic fantastic sailing watch which was £10 has the odd wobble now and then.

Jamie BG

@aleksander-h - yes the vast majority will incorrect brag…
But let them, doesn’t hurt anyone except for someone who buys one without doing their own research - and I am a firm believer in darwinism - so I say have at it…

Jamie BG

@walker you are going to be massively disappointed then, as I don’t know of any piece of tech (especially with wearables) that doesn’t get the occasional glitch and need a reboot (and that includes Apple).

@olymay
my complaints obviously stem from what happened to me (“crash & reboot during activity” thread). At this point I think it’s completely pointless to try to be as detailed as possible to describe a possible bug or even say it happened … because it’s ok / acceptable if it happens once in a while etc. Ok, I give up and sorry for the noise.

olymay

@walker the crash you experienced was almost identical to the one that happened to me a few months back, except that afterwards none of my settings were changed.

Yes, I was frustrated at the time it happened. Angry? No. Unacceptable? Nope.

As both myself and @Jamie-BG have said, this is a complex piece of kit and occasionally there will be a hiccup.

Are you saying that you have NEVER had an issue with a phone/laptop/TV/wifi router/or anything electrical?
If not, you are either unbelievably lucky, or have some mystic power that causes everything around you to behave perfectly all the time.
Or do you simply rant every time something goes wrong and say it is unacceptable?

Dude, sh1t happens. Technology has hiccups, mechanical systems fail unexpectedly (I run a predictive maintenance team, so know full well that not everything can be forecast).

So yes, it is acceptable for technology to throw a hissy once in a while.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@walker you have a point.

A sportswatch that crashes ain’t good at all. Even it’s 1nce per year imo.

But imo as well, a wear os platform would crash once per year , from my experience. Is it good ? No. I am not in favor.

But that’s why I also don’t use wear os atm.
It’s good but not that good yet. With wear os 3 things might change.

Still s7 is my favorite wear os watch and smart watch. Especially now that YouTube music is supported afaik.

olymay

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos Any device that crashes is not good. But it is inevitable, it happens.
There are numerous posts on these very forums about issues with the S9 (all versions) and the S5 and others. Does that make them unacceptable to use? Absolutely not. It makes them complex technology.

Obviously we would all prefer everything to work perfectly first time every time. For nothing to ever crash. For printers to always print (ok, that one will never happen!).

My point is simply that nothing is infallible (least of all people. is it unacceptable for a human to never make a mistake? Well, considering it is people that design and make our technology, why do we think that it should be infallible??).

WearOS is actually pretty stable right now. I’ve been using it for years and since the HMR2 update it’s been pretty brilliant. Yes, the functionality could be better blah blah, but it is stable. WearOS has not crashed on me in well over a year. The Suunto app has crashed once this year, once. My laptop has crashed more than that. So has my TV. So has my cooker (which is not smart).

YouTube Music is coming the S7, but later this year apparently (due to it running the SD3100 )

@olymay said in is a system update coming ?:

Or do you simply rant every time something goes wrong and say it is unacceptable?

Well, in the past I’ve been a fw developer, written miles of code, assembly, c, with different uCs, different platforms.
I spent most of my time hunting and debugging bugs so I’m absolutely aware of what I’m talking about. Things have changed today and I’m really sorry and disappointed that debugging time doesn’t take the proper relevance in the development and I do not justify at all what you’re trying to pass as a normal because of complexity. Let me say: such a childish excuse.

olymay

@walker said in is a system update coming ?:

@olymay said in is a system update coming ?:

Or do you simply rant every time something goes wrong and say it is unacceptable?

Well, in the past I’ve been a fw developer, written miles of code, assembly, c, with different uCs, different platforms.
I spent most of my time hunting and debugging bugs so I’m absolutely aware of what I’m talking about. Things have changed today and I’m really sorry and disappointed that debugging time doesn’t take the proper relevance in the development and I do not justify at all what you’re trying to pass as a normal because of complexity. Let me say: such a childish excuse.

And in all of your time as a debugger you never ever made a mistake or missed something?

And again, I ask the question, do you rant and scream and throw a tantrum every time that something throws a wobble or has a crash?
Because if you do, that is way more childish than accepting that not everything in the world is perfect and that mistakes do happen and that computer systems do have wobbles now and then.
Yes I will tut, shake my had, and be a little annoyed. But shouting about it will not get anybody anywhere. I report every issue I find through the support channels (how else will developers know what is going on) and then I get the heck on with my life.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@walker well you understand that this excuse is not per se a developers excuse.

If for example Google drops wear OS support for x cpu etc its more complicated.

In general I do agree with your point of view as of a holistic approach but in reality it gets flanky.

(Personal opinion)

@olymay
scream and throw tantrums? I hope you are joking. I have always been kind in the posts, I have only firmly expressed my point of view with no intention of discrediting anyone. Maybe I wasn’t able to express myself at my best and if so I apologize.

olymay

@walker I was only asking a question, I made no accusations.

You stated that it is unacceptable for an item of technology to have a wobble or crash once in a six month period, and implied it is unacceptable for it to happen at all.

I simply commented that this happens with pretty much any and every type of technology (Android, iPhone, PC, Apple, Garmin, Suunto, LG, any and all). I stated that yes it is frustrating, but it is not unacceptable.
And you called me childish. Not very nice.

@olymay said in is a system update coming ?:

And you called me childish. Not very nice.

No olymay you misunderstood that. Was not aimed at you, at all!
meant to say that complexity is used as an excuse sometimes.

ok?

olymay

@walker said in is a system update coming ?:

@olymay said in is a system update coming ?:

And you called me childish. Not very nice.

No olymay you misunderstood that. Was not aimed at you, at all!
meant to say that complexity is used as an excuse sometimes.

ok?

Ah, ok, fair enough, my whoops. I’ll get down off my box now sorry.

I do think we can be a bit more forgiving towards the developers who write the software for these devices. I don’t for a second think that any of them think “ah, that’s close enough” (i’ve worked with people like that and it drove me up the wall!).
I believe they all want to release perfect software that never has an issue.