Crash/fall detection
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@brad_olwin in Europe one can get pretty good cellular cover in most parts of the Alps. (Or at least in German in Austrian Alps)
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@dmytro Many people venture in other places, that is unique to Europe and its density. I doubt that any other continent has as extensive cell coverage.
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@brad_olwin sure, just saying that user base while not dominant is also non negligible.
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@dmytro yes, best place to be. Even on 3000+m I have 4G
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@theguyfromthesummit exactly! I sometimes only get connection on the summit, which is kinda rewarding if you ask me.
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I was shock to get a 4g signal on the glacier of Monte Rosa some years ago
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@theguyfromthesummit said in Crash/fall detection:
@cosmecosta
But doesn’t strava has also such option?Yes, Strava Beacon but from memory this only works unless you’re using an Apple watch or recording your activity using your phone. I don’t think it has capabilities to connect to Suunto, Garmin etc
SV Titanium Solar Forest
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It seems I could have been more precise on what I’m saying.
I do my mountain biking few kilometers from my home, there is definitely mobile coverage there. I live in Finland and there are very few places without coverage anyways.Of course the best case/implementation would not really care if the connection is through 4g phone, satellite phone or something else. I guess that is just matter of how the functionality is implemented.
What I simply want is the watch to recognize I have fallen and/or crashed and not continued from there (unconscious, paralyzed what ever). SMS or similar would be sent on that occasion.
I also checked for any Android apps that would do this. There were couple that might do it, but comments were not very encouraging or the downloads were counted with two figures.
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@jyrileppanen
I know what you mean… I don’t have the specialized angel, but I wanted something that could help to find me if I am lost and helpless.
I do sports with friends normally… but I have frequent days when I go mountain biking on my own.
When I started commuting my wife and I thought about a solution that she knows where to find me in case I do not show up when she expects me… it’s kind of the opposite solution @MiniForklift prefers
but we have decided that we have both switched on permanent google maps location sharing. I must admit that it is not only convenient for emergency situatiins, that luckily did not happen yet. but also if she sees I’m still at work she can tell me to bring home a bread for dinner 
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@freeheeler I use the same. But dedicated crash detection would be an extra alarm which you don’t get with Google maps.
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@dmytro
yep, if time is crucial then crash detection helps.
I’ve had 2 minor crashes this week on the trail, not sure if any device would have been triggered. it has pros and cons with this feature… if you ride a tricky trail and crash couple of times you always need to dig out your phone to cancel the emergency call. on the other hand, if you crash and lay injured somewhere in the woods… my wife would wonder where I am if I don’t return by the time x and look on the map… the logic is: being anywhere and not moving for some time requires a checkup call…
but emergency situations are so individual and unplannable of course.
best thing: don’t crash
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@freeheeler
My girlfriend uses a Garmin and the crash detection works great.
When you suddenly stop the watch vibrates rigorously and you have around 10sec time to click a button on the watch to say, that you are okay. If you don’t, then a message will be send to the emergency contacts.
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@theguyfromthesummit
sounds like a feature for my next Suunto 11
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@miniforklift Someone - in a different post on this forum - was suggesting Strava Beacon integration with Suunto as a possible easy solution to the issue (re: live tracking and emergency alert to pre-defined contacts). So I emailed stava and I was told that “Beacon is available on Garmin, Apple Watch, and Galaxy Watch 4 at this time. Beacon is not available on other platforms or device.” I am not sure there are a sufficient number of Suunto users to justify adding integration with Suunto. Moreover, Strava Beacon allows live track ( so does Komoot actually) but not incident detection.
Nevertheless, I completely agree it would be an incredibly useful features. Right now I am running with my S9P on one wrist and my vivoactive 4 on the other. I look ridiculous; however, after recent updates, vivoactive 4 became very very good in avoiding false positive when it comes to incident detection (Anyway, even in the case of false positive you have 15 seconds or so to abort the emergency assistance message).
I believe I would not be the only one to find this function useful on suunto as well; am assuming there are a large proportion of users that, during outdoor activities, are anyway under cellular coverage. -
@giacomo-laffranchini what would be the benefits of using the beacon on a watch instead of a phone?
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@dmytro that is a fair point. I would personally like to have some kind of live track and incident detection/ emergency alert ( manual or automatic) native on the Suunto. I don’t think beacon on phone has any kind of incident detection and alert.
I was not advocating for beacon on device, bit I seem to perceive that it might be the only viable solution.
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@giacomo-laffranchini I too would appreciate crash detection, but as far as live track goes, I use Google maps which is quite good as it also shows your Smartphone charge level.
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@brad_olwin
Garmin has the 945 LTE to get around carrying your mobile, but it requires a seperate subscription, and it can only be used for the fall detection.However you can also buy their inreach and connect that to your devices, and it can send out your emergency data in case of a fall, and as satellite covers pretty much anywhere.
However seems as thought Garmin’s fall detecting is much better when going at speed, so works super well (too well actually as can trigger from an emergency stop) on a bicycle, but not as good when walking/running - but I suppose as long as you are concious it is super easy to trigger from the watch.
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@jamie-bg I have an inReach and use it almost every weekend of the year as there is no cell service where I run in the summer and ski in the winter.
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@brad_olwin Do you use your inRech solo or with a watch?
