Suunto 9 Peak

ink357

@dušan-ković completely agree for the customs sports mode
I had to create them in Movescount (!) to not forget them… and then re-create them in SA… ‍️

bnorthrop

@dušan-ković I’ve had my S9P for almost a few days and have a few first impressions, questions, and feature requests. I’m relatively new to the forum so I don’t know if this is the most appropriate place to post these. My apologies if it would make more sense to mention them somewhere else.

First impressions:
• The watch and build quality is wonderful. I love how thin and light it is. Coming from a Spartan Sport (non WRH) I’m still getting used to the smaller screen but I love how sharp the screen is.
• The buttons are better than I expected when I saw first pictures. They’re easy to press and crisp. They’re also click louder than I expected.
• The optical heart rate is (so far) much better than other optical heart rate watches I’ve tried (over the past year I’ve bought, and returned: Polar Vantage V2, Polar Vantage M, Coros Apex Pro, Suunto S9B). It has done very well running and riding the trainer, though not as good strength training.

Questions:
• Is there any way to have the first day of the week set to Monday? I already have the first day of my week set to Monday on my iPhone but can’t seem to have the S9P start on Monday. Any tips?
• Does the resources algorithm adjust over time? The watch apparently thinks I’m active or stressed all the time. My resources are at or close to zero pretty much all day. Does the First Beat algorithm get a better feel for me over time and adjust?

Feature requests:
• I think it would be great to be able to rearrange the order of the screens available when pressing the down button. I.e. the current order is: heart rate, resources, steps, training, altitude, sleep, fitness. I would love to be able to reorder those.
• The weather data page in Suunto Plus is awesome. I would love for that to be available as a screen you can access by pressing the down button (meaning an option within the list in my previous comment).

Overall it’s very nice!

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@bnorthrop said in Suunto 9 Peak:

Is there any way to have the first day of the week set to Monday? I already have the first day of my week set to Monday on my iPhone but can’t seem to have the S9P start on Monday. Any tips?
• Does the resources algorithm adjust over time? The watch apparently thinks I’m active or stressed all the time. My resources are at or close to zero pretty much all day. Does the First Beat algorithm get a better feel for me over time and adjust?

It depends on the phone region and language. Use UK for example and it will be Monday (I do that as I don’t use Greek or US eng ).
However we are working on a setting for that eventually.
Yes it does. It depends afaik on sleep and HRV. From what I have been told and observed it takes a 6 day buffer depending on sleep hrv to see when you are resting etc.

Brad_Olwin

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 Peak:

@bnorthrop said in Suunto 9 Peak:

Is there any way to have the first day of the week set to Monday? I already have the first day of my week set to Monday on my iPhone but can’t seem to have the S9P start on Monday. Any tips?

It depends on the phone region and language. Use UK for example and it will be Monday (I do that as I don’t use Greek or US eng ).
However we are working on a setting for that eventually.

Yaaayyyyyy!!!

Dušan Ković

@isazi @ink357 I understand, but saving them and telling users that you won’t be able to use certain screen or feature is still better than deleting 8 (or more) sport modes… I expected that to be backed up to the cloud because why not? It is not rocket science Check if watch support screens and fields in sport mode, if not alert user that they won’t be able to use particular field and replace that field with some default field I wish I made MC copies of my sport modes. Now I have to create everything from scratch

I had one 10 hour overnight hike with S9P. The watch is invisible, you don’t feel it on the hand and it doesn’t catch clothes. Really incredible of suunto to fit a lot in the small watch. Adaptive backlight is great. My two buddies had S9Bs and both of S9B showed bigger distance than S9P. I wish I had both watches on hand and check GPS accuracy.

SpO2 readings are at best questionable. They really need to make that sensor work better. At this point is mostly unusable data.

surfboomerang

Nice work Suunto!
Apparently the S9P is a popular device

kukubau

Reportedly, the S9 Peak VO2 max is underestimated/or less accurate compared to other sport watches, Sunnto’s and competition’s. Does this have to do with having VO2 max technology licensed from Firstbeat and/or poor implementation?

isazi

@kukubau I get the same VO2max with the Peak, the Baro, Garmin, and also a Cooper test.

Brad_Olwin

@isazi I do not, my Peak and baro register much lower than Cooper or lab tests. But that is because 99% of my runs are below Aerobic threshold and on trails.

isazi

@brad_olwin trails must be the reason, my VO2max drops considerably every year (according to the watch, doubt it’s real) when I go to the mountains

Brad_Olwin

@isazi Trails will bring any road runner into reality:)

cosme.costa

@brad_olwin said in Suunto 9 Peak:

@isazi Trails will bring any road runner into reality:)

So true!!

chrisc92

@brad_olwinin VO2max is a measure of oxygen cunsomption in and that can only be measured in a lab. in order to have consistent results with a watch, the minimal HR and maximal HR have to be carrefully mesured and entered in the watch (for HRmin, when resting in bed after wakeup)
also age and sex have to be entered as Firstbeat uses studies results.

Firstbeat algorithms take also into account activity levels and effforts, so HR measurement have to be accurate (test your OHR before or use a belt strap)
Also VO2max can change during the week, so if you want to make a test, follow a like-cooper test protocol :
run in a straight line and on flat least at 70% of threshold speed

for example running at submaximal effort speed for 10 min on flat could give a good VO2max value

Brad_Olwin

@chrisc92 I understand VO2 Max, my lab test is 8 ml/kg/min higher than the top values I get from the watch. Obviously when I am running hard intervals my max goes up on the watch and down with long trail runs at or below my aerobic threshold (aerobic not anaerobic!). My HR zones are set differently than what Suunto recommends as well, set by my coach. This likely affects the watch calculations as well.

@brad_olwin I tend to believe that reality has nothing to do with it. It’s just a calculated metric which lacks some of measured metrics that differentiate these sports.

chrisc92

@brad_olwin I found an old article in french about Firstbeat and Garmin, and the guy noticed that his VO2Max dropped when running in altitude and then he was recomended to run on flat
( don’t know if googgle trad could help there are interesting study references at the end )

Firstbeat VO2 estimation - valid or voodoo?
Maybe you could contact firstbeat i don’t know if someone know if they have forums ?

My opinion is that it is difficult to estimate an oxygen consumption on the field whith such HR devices and GPS.
To record a more reliable metric I tried to run with Stryd power meter , a foot pod sensor based on Power estimation . it has a good protocol to calibrate the critical power (like bike FTP) Power Duration Curve is updated by tracking best efforts in your activity

If not running in two much high grades it provide some Normalized Power , as pace zones or HR zones are difficult to estimate when not running on a track.
Initially I ordered it to have a better instant pace displayed on the S9B because pods are better when calculating pace based on stride. And it turned out that Stryd is much better than Suunto fused speed

Then following this personal curve predictions are more reliable than those based on VO2max percentages

Brad_Olwin

@chrisc92 I have a Stryd and have had one a long time. I even have the first version in an HR monitor. Stryd has major issues on trails as well. I use it for trail hill intervals but that is about it. I could go into many details but not worth it here.

After using the watch for a bit, I have one suggestion for the devs, is it possible to have the menu in infinite loop?
It is a bit annoying when you arrive to your fitness level, to have to go all the way back to the main screen.

DMytro

@andré-faria you could hold down the middle button to quickly return to main screen.

isazi

@andré-faria swipe to go back to the watch face.