Sunnto 7 Sensor Support
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@jamie-bg this is a reply I got from a moderator back in January about the coprocessor and a Bluetooth heart rate monitor, within this very topic of the forum.
MODERATOR 15 Jan 2021, 10:05
@brotzfrog10 said in Sunnto 7 Sensor Support:
Maybe the coprocessor sunnto is running the training app off of can’t do those kind of connections?
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@brotzfrog10 said in Sunnto 7 Sensor Support:
Just to further clarify my point, from what I gathered from one of the moderates, Suunto made it so their own training app ran through the coprocessor on the watch in order to stretch battery life while training especially gps routes.
Correct. They are able to disable this though. For instance when you look at the map it goes from that black-and-white arrow to a full blown map. From what I gather, this is the app moving over to the non-power saving core(s). I’m guessing if you turn on the always on map function from settings, the app probably stays in high power mode throughout the exercise (as long as you have the map screen open).
[Edit] I could be completely wrong though
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@aleksander-h you are correct, the main processor is woken when you use the map, when laps are triggered, etc. Those are battery hits, but usually they happen only once in a while. Connecting to BLE means having the main processor working all the time.
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@isazi said in Sunnto 7 Sensor Support:
@aleksander-h you are correct, the main processor is woken when you use the map, when laps are triggered, etc. Those are battery hits, but usually they happen only once in a while. Connecting to BLE means having the main processor working all the time.
Oh, laps as well? That’s interesting.
The more I hear about how it works the more I wish I worked there
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@aleksander-h laps are the thing I am not 100% sure about, but it should be.
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@aleksander-h yes - if you look at you watch post the auto lap notification you will notice that the Active Hr zones are slightly thicker than usual - which of course means the main coprocessor is active.
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@brotzfrog10 i love the watch both as sport watch and smart watch but the lack of external sensor is a huge disappointment since i do different kinds of sport in tennis sometimes it looses its accuracy and u do kick boxing and for that i have to use my old m5 suunto watch SUUNTO PLZZZZZ ADD EXTERNAL BELT FOR SUUNTO 7
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@egika said in Sunnto 7 Sensor Support:
If one does not need instant heart rate but more the tracking and after training analysis it could even sync only once training is finished. Then with a positive effect on battery life compared to optical
You can do this today, if your sensor supports it.
I run with S7 and a Stryd Power Meter.
On completion, I offline-sync the Power Meter, export the ‘power data only’ GPX, and in GoldenCheetah, import, merge and crop (if I for example finish my activity on the Watch, the Power Meter is still recording movement if I walk quickly) with the regular activity data that has synced there from SA or Strava or somewhere, export, and upload to TrainingPeaks and Runalyze. Takes me less than a minute end to end.
I think Suunto COULD theoretically do this post-activity merging automatically, given Stryd can be linked as a ‘partner app’ and they seem to do this with other watch models…I’d like to see if THIS does exactly how I interpret it >>
Suunto >> “When you sync your watch with Suunto App after a run and then sync your Stryd with the Stryd app, you can take advantage of a variety of other unique metrics measured directly from the foot: form power, ground contact time, leg spring stiffness, vertical oscillation, and wind power. Again, to get Stryd+ metrics you must do an offline sync that merges your watch data to the pod data.”
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Run with Watch and paired power meter - some basic power data included directly in the activity? Then do a Stryd Offline Sync, so you get all that extra Wind/Stiffness data etc into Stryd. And the SA either polls or gets pushed from Stryd all that extra data and merges it into the existing activity, so you can see it all in SA on phone?? -
@nigel-taylor-0 good point!
I was more focusing on the capabilities of the Suunto HR strap and sensor though. Ideally this woudl happen on the watch and not in some manual post processing. -
@egika said in Sunnto 7 Sensor Support:
@nigel-taylor-0 good point!
I was more focusing on the capabilities of the Suunto HR strap and sensor though. Ideally this woudl happen on the watch and not in some manual post processing.Yup - I’d prefer my power to appear realtime on the watch too!
Thankfully I’m not as bothered about ‘running strictly to power’ as I once was…its just nice to have it there for a bit of simple analysis afterwards.
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@Brad_Olwin Thanks for the info refering to this topic, I have read it before a little quick and got nor an easy short response not a clue about using the S7 with my HR belt and I’m sorry if I sound rude, but I could just start swearing about how not to do things and would end up a fight fixing nothing, so I prefer not.
Honestly I could never imagine something like this, like buying an electric bycicle which you can not use the pedals anymore, this is the kind of feeling I have now with the S7 not having the most simple and basic option of any HR monitor, the chest belt.
So if someone is happy about this, go and thank the one brilliant mind responsible of this, I am completely not and feel completely frustrated with it.
Again, if there is only one simple at least way to do so I will appreciate the help, otherwise I would be forced to sell it feeling I have just bought my wife an expensive useless piece of ****.
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@rhustox a little bit off topic but one can really buy a piece of sh*t and mail it to anyone on the planet. Payment is anonymous by using bitcoin. Can’t recall the website, saw it on vsauce video sometime ago.
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@дима-мельниченко said in Sunnto 7 Sensor Support:
@rhustox a little bit off topic but one can really buy a piece of sh*t and mail it to anyone on the planet. Payment is anonymous by using bitcoin. Can’t recall the website, saw it on vsauce video sometime ago.
Completely out off topic because this is not the topic, I’m not trying to fool anyone, buying or selling, the one fooled here is every person who made possible to loose this simple and basic feature, call it the name you want to call it.
Feeling very disappointed with S7 right now. After one month from the purchase it have been in the official service because there was no way to start any sport. Sport mode app got stuck and a black screen followed by the time display every attempt, not being able to synch it via phone app either and now this great news!
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@rhustox you might just have an unlucky unit, that’s all.
Concerning HR belt - that would be a deal-breaker for me too, but you may be could have done you research better? Btw you can use an HR belt with other apps on S7 but not suunto and than sync too SA of needed. Also I hear ohr is very good on the unit, maybe it would suffice?
Lastly if you feel like s9/s5 would suit your needs better than s7 as it lacks some features (HR belt, pods, HR zones) you could contact support maybe? I’m think they could let trade your watch for another one with a little extra payment. -
@rhustox The OHR on the S7 is fantastic! I do not wear a belt and can use it for intervals for running. When I find that inconvenient is SkiMo and in bike riding if you want the unit on the handlebars. You can use 3rd party solutions and the belt will work just fine as well as a Stryd. However, you will need to import your workouts into the Suunto app via Quantified Self.
There are a lot of reasons for not incorporating the sensors in the Suunto wear os app but the primary was battery life. Your battery life would be severely degraded with a sensor attached. Personally, I don’t need the sensors and I like my S7 a lot, it is my daily watch and the one I use exclusively when traveling due to the usefulness of the maps. I am more than happy to trade sensor support for 14-18h of GPS tracking in a smartwatch!
As for being stuck in a sport mode or not responding properly, contact support and they will help you.
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@дима-мельниченко said in Sunnto 7 Sensor Support:
@rhustox you might just have an unlucky unit, that’s all.
Concerning HR belt - that would be a deal-breaker for me too, but you may be could have done you research better? Btw you can use an HR belt with other apps on S7 but not suunto and than sync too SA of needed. Also I hear ohr is very good on the unit, maybe it would suffice?
Lastly if you feel like s9/s5 would suit your needs better than s7 as it lacks some features (HR belt, pods, HR zones) you could contact support maybe? I’m think they could let trade your watch for another one with a little extra payment.Actually I have bought the S7 for my wife. I have the S9 with no complaints about it.
Research…? Ok, right but you do not expect a new smartphone that will not have Bluetooth anymore because there is Wifi eveywhere. Just a silly example, I don’t know.When we do cycling I prefer having the watch on the handlebar so I can see how I’m doing. I know how I’m doing but instead of wearing it I prefer to see.
Same thing for my wife, instead of me, she would not be able to keep her eye on the watch as she feels unskilled for that, that’s why the HR belt for her.
Shame is why this simple thing couldn’t be just like that easy to get. -
@brad_olwin said in Sunnto 7 Sensor Support:
@rhustox The OHR on the S7 is fantastic! I do not wear a belt and can use it for intervals for running. When I find that inconvenient is SkiMo and in bike riding if you want the unit on the handlebars. You can use 3rd party solutions and the belt will work just fine as well as a Stryd. However, you will need to import your workouts into the Suunto app via Quantified Self.
There are a lot of reasons for not incorporating the sensors in the Suunto wear os app but the primary was battery life. Your battery life would be severely degraded with a sensor attached. Personally, I don’t need the sensors and I like my S7 a lot, it is my daily watch and the one I use exclusively when traveling due to the usefulness of the maps. I am more than happy to trade sensor support for 14-18h of GPS tracking in a smartwatch!
As for being stuck in a sport mode or not responding properly, contact support and they will help you.
Yeah, I get it and even feeling kind of alone here with my wife a bit upset about both previous malfunctioning and the HR belt thing, I do not think all S7 users are completely happy with this.
Another thing is the battery life, seems like Wear OS isn’t the best option, with so many useless things in it, for my understanding.
In comparison with my S9 seems like the S7 it is build with a joke of a battery. She si plugin it every evening while I do it only twice a week even more than doubling her activities.
Never meant to say not loving it or liking it anymore, actually it is beautiful as most of the brand ones but the thing here it is of feeling kind that was a bad purchase after all. She likes it, but she’s not super happy as she should be, with battery life, with issues mentioned and with the news that should by third party stuff (if that works) to get her HR into the display while wearing the belt?
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@rhustox I would argue that even Bluetooth needs research. For example not every modern smartphone has Bluetooth 5 which be a deal-breaker for some. Also not every Phone os can take full advantage of Bluetooth as you might know:)
Same is with a watch or any other thing. You do you of course, but I like to list all feature I need in any thing I buy and than start my research to determine whether feature is there and how it’s implemented. -
@rhustox at this point if battery + HR belt is important to you, why not go for s5/s9/s9p?
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@rhustox
Your problem is that you saw suunto and thought it was a fitness watch and everything that comes with it.It isn’t a fitness watch - its a smartwatch (with great fitness for a smartwatch) - and when you compare it against its smartwatch competitors (i.e. its market) you will find it compares very favourably in all areas. From capabilities and from a battery life perspective.
If you do want to use HR belts there are options like use SportyGo, Ghostracer just to name two of a host of available options that do support a bluetooth HR belt. Of course can’t guarantee what the battery life is likely to be, but its an option.
