Suunto 9 Peak

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@thanasis Re you sure the screen is not so vivid ? Afaik compared to most FR (and the lastest) according to users it’s more vivid.

Regarding snappiness of the ui all suuntos have the same. It’s the dma engine that is set for stability not performance.

freeheeler

@chrisa
I agree: the quick release bars belong to the strap. it sounds silly but IMHO they are a simple “system”.

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 Peak:

@thanasis Re you sure the screen is not so vivid ? Afaik compared to most FR (and the lastest) according to users it’s more vivid.

Regarding snappiness of the ui all suuntos have the same. It’s the dma engine that is set for stability not performance.

Thanks for the answer regarding snappiness.
Regarding the vividness compared to FR245 I think the fr245 is more vivid. But when compared to f6s sapphire the s9p is more vivid and we can see much better.

@thanasis said in Suunto 9 Peak:

@andré-faria it is slower and the screen not quite as vivid I am afraid .

Compared to a 645 I feel there is little to be justifying the price . I don’t really get it but it is indeed nice looking

Regarding this comment, from one side I understand it well.
There are some handy options/customizations missing from Suunto s9p to most FR series.
I think the price of S9P is justified by its weight/quality/design and stability. We can’t forget that the s9p has metal casing and sapphire glass also.
Unfortunately, regarding product point of view not everytime these things can be transmitted “in the paper”.
Also regarding the snappiness, although I understand the decision, sometimes it gives the impression of “old hardware”/“badly optimized”. I think it is a thing to take care because in the end it is a 700eur watch, not a 150eur one.
But yeah maybe it was not reported by testers as an “issue”.
Fortunately with recent actions from suunto we can expect continuous improvement on the watch regarding functions and Hope performance.

Regarding the vividness compared to FR245 I think the fr245 is more vivid. But when compared to f6s sapphire the s9p is more vivid and we can see much better.

You can’t really compare sapphire glass on Peak or Fenix that’s quite reflective and thus somewhat darker to optically bonded Gorilla glass on FR. Of course, the latter will appear to be more readable and possibly vivid, in some conditions. However, apart from being nowhere as scratch resistant as sapphire, it will also have slight tint (compare F6 with sapphire screen to FR when displaying something with multiple colors), and when looking at the watch directly, in good lighting… I don’t know, but me thinks sapphire does deliver livelier, truer, and more popping colors and renders blacks as true blacks and not those blueish-grayish tones.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@andré-faria go to settings and try to touch and scroll. The performance should be quite ok.

When the rest of menus are loaded for example when in the watchface and going up it should also be ok.

However when going down to see ie the live hr view it takes some time feels choppy and the same applies as going more down. Suunto is aware of this. Actually if the live hr view was lower it would have been better.

The activity start screen is slow. It might show data after 7s max even if recording before.

That is merely due to the way the streaming of sensors is initialized and aggregated. It’s a heavy job and to be able to initialize all components calibrate altitude yadi ya at one has this effect , trying to keep the gun time right. You might find some watches showing the data asap , while the gun time being wrong. Actually it was like so at some fws and it was changed to be able to keep gun time ok. I don’t think that toggling then among the data screens is so bad.

That said that is the HW that Suunto has. Remember. The hw is in-house almost. At least in terms of coding / FW. Yes we write fw for most of the components. Could it be better ? Sure.

Suunto is focused on a sportwatch experience not a snappiness experience so this is not top priority although known and desired. What do I mean with that ? I bet Suunto can spend an iteration making things snappier but then they would delay features that are down the pipeline.

That said we also have the s7 which is very snappy much better than any competitor out there (kinda) , but still , it’s not a performance sport watch.

Enjoy your watch and it’s quality of materials design and software and let those minor annoyances behind. Remember your ambit that was slow to even show pixels. Still then was many moto360 much snappier cheaper and would die at day one when visiting the 40c Greece for vacation.

Ps a ccuracy of sensors is also consider a price thing or for example the tuning and software of those including antenna design testing , hw iterations strap materials and so on.

Ps2 we are not Garmin , we are way smaller company. We all put our effort to bring what you get and the materials we choose for hw have to be able to be assembled by hand as your watch is basically made / assembled by hand by a guy that gets well paid and works under eu conditions. You can drink a beer with the factory workers. Oh and they also don’t waste any material. Your coros (ask me for proof) or Garmin goes to garbage when it’s out. We have a whole sustainability squad and we work towards a better ecological impact each day. If you know me personally from my channels you might understand I am a sucker for eco.

If all the above don’t make your watch premium I don’t know what to say… Try a simple china based watch with snappy menus such as Amazfit.

zhang965

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 Peak:

. Oh and they also don’t waste any material. Your coros (ask me for proof) or Garmin goes to garbage when it’s out. We have a whole sustainability squad and we work towards a better ecological impact each day. .
.

I don’t quite understand this part…
So we can send back our old suunto watch to get a discount to buy a new one ?

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 Peak:

@andré-faria go to settings and try to touch and scroll. The performance should be quite ok.

When the rest of menus are loaded for example when in the watchface and going up it should also be ok.

However when going down to see ie the live hr view it takes some time feels choppy and the same applies as going more down. Suunto is aware of this. Actually if the live hr view was lower it would have been better.

The activity start screen is slow. It might show data after 7s max even if recording before.

That is merely due to the way the streaming of sensors is initialized and aggregated. It’s a heavy job and to be able to initialize all components calibrate altitude yadi ya at one has this effect , trying to keep the gun time right. You might find some watches showing the data asap , while the gun time being wrong. Actually it was like so at some fws and it was changed to be able to keep gun time ok. I don’t think that toggling then among the data screens is so bad.

That said that is the HW that Suunto has. Remember. The hw is in-house almost. At least in terms of coding / FW. Yes we write fw for most of the components. Could it be better ? Sure.

Suunto is focused on a sportwatch experience not a snappiness experience so this is not top priority although known and desired. What do I mean with that ? I bet Suunto can spend an iteration making things snappier but then they would delay features that are down the pipeline.

That said we also have the s7 which is very snappy much better than any competitor out there (kinda) , but still , it’s not a performance sport watch.

Enjoy your watch and it’s quality of materials design and software and let those minor annoyances behind. Remember your ambit that was slow to even show pixels. Still then was many moto360 much snappier cheaper and would die at day one when visiting the 40c Greece for vacation.

Ps a ccuracy of sensors is also consider a price thing or for example the tuning and software of those including antenna design testing , hw iterations strap materials and so on.

Ps2 we are not Garmin , we are way smaller company. We all put our effort to bring what you get and the materials we choose for hw have to be able to be assembled by hand as your watch is basically made / assembled by hand by a guy that gets well paid and works under eu conditions. You can drink a beer with the factory workers. Oh and they also don’t waste any material. Your coros (ask me for proof) or Garmin goes to garbage when it’s out. We have a whole sustainability squad and we work towards a better ecological impact each day. If you know me personally from my channels you might understand I am a sucker for eco.

If all the above don’t make your watch premium I don’t know what to say… Try a simple china based watch with snappy menus such as Amazfit.

It is for answers/explanations like these that it also please me to put my money on Suunto (Garmin’s I bought used).
Thanks a lot for taking your time to do it!
I feel the watch is premium and is in fact a watch I can wear all day.
Regarding the eco part it truly pleases me! Along with the support.
Regarding Garmin, yes any problem I had , I just had new device .
I just shared my feedback as “average joe” point of view not as an annoyance. Again thanks for explaining me the reasons
Right now the S9P is a keeper!

Ivan Vasilev

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos a great detailed response with some valuable insights! I would like to use the occasion to ask somewhat niche question, which nevertheless interests me. I’ve noticed that one of the design changes between the S9P and S9B is the lug design (to clarify, by lugs I mean the case protrusions, where the strap attaches). I haven’t seen S9P in person, but based on pictures it seems that the lugs are made from the same material as the bezel (stainless steel or titanium). On the other hand, the S9B lugs are made of the same material as the case (I would assume glass reinforced polyamide). Do you know what is the rationale behind this change? It seems that the S9P lugs would be much more durable, being made of metal. Are there any known cases of S9B broken lugs? This is something of a pet peeve of mine, as I’ve seen broken lugs on other watches (mostly Garmins and Casio g-shocks).

thanasis

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos
Thanks for that, there are great sentimental words depicting the company culture of suunto , which is great . but from a customer point of view there has to be an added value proposition, a unique selling point or something justifying why one needs to pay the premium for that which none of those things mentioned seems to tackle this core thing . We don’t wear the watches because they make us feel great . There are meant to be tools , gadgets etc . Yes , there is a growing number of garmin users who feel adventures because of wearing a Fenix but that was not Suunto audience .

The watch seems premium by design but lacks an awful lot of features others offer who not necessarily add value though… so eventually we are looking for things in s9p that would stand out of the crowd and add value to us. Definitely the visibility and the delay are not in the right direction so I thought of mentioning them. If Suunto’s direction is different , ok , I am happy to know .

The rest are a great storytelling but unless they justify something ….they remain a story telling thing.

bnorthrop

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 Peak:

@chrisc92 isn’t that 45 ? I get 48-40 but not 40 at the middle of the day

33 beats per minute
Sleeping only seven hours a night, Kilian Jornet seems almost superhuman. His resting heartbeat is extremely low at 33 beats per minute, compared with the average man’s 60 per minute or an athlete’s 40 per minute.

I wanted to say that 40 while it’s an athletes resting hr it’s not all times from at least what I have seen in my close circles. I might be wrong.

40 and below is not common but not extreme either. My resting hr was typically 33 while awake and would dip into the hi 20s while sleeping as measured by an implanted loop monitor. The low hr contributed to issues I had with passing out (malignant vasovagal syncope) and therefore had to get a pacemaker. Now the pacemaker won’t let me go below 40 bpm. Haven’t passed out since though!

Ze Stuart

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 Peak:

You can drink a beer with the factory workers.

Such a heart-felt reply, good points all round. Thank you.
Really? I’d love to go for a beer with Suunto people! I’m so sad that I won’t be going to Helsinki for Juhannuspäivä this year. (I promise that after the first round I’ll stop asking questions, at least until the third round…) Kippis! (Or do they prefer Skål?)

I’d also love to hear more about the sustainability squad, it’s such an important function: Suunto should be celebrating these heroes!

I had my first pool swim with my Peak today: my concern for the small screen was ‘how quickly and easily can I see the interval counter field?’ (Small field, top-left of pool swimming.) No concerns, very, very easy to see despite the smaller size.

surfboomerang

@ivan-vasilev I owned a couple of Ambits and a S9B before I switched to the S9P.
With those watches I never experienced broken lugs or even cracks in the casing nor have I heard or read about it. So I think Suunto already made those watches very robust.

The S9P switch of material could be because the lugs are much smaller then the other watches and Suunto wants to prevent breaking or cracking. So to me it seems that Suunto puts a lot of effort in designing and testing the watch (and not only the firmware) to prevent hardware failures as much as possible before selling it to real-world customers.

If this is not the case and it is pure aesthetic I still think it is a good change. I like the look of the lugs and I think that stainless steel or titanium can only contribute to the robustness of the watch.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@thanasis I didn’t say any storytelling. Sorry but this is offensive / ads a personal thing what you wrote to me. I took the time to write and explain some stuff and all you read is story telling ?

No one is forcing you to buy the product nor to switch to another brand. You don’t see the value? Then what’s your point ? You made that point.

I am not here to convince you to buy something

So my question to you:

What do you want to get out with your argument ? Convince others that your opinion about not wanting to buy the watch should reflect to others ? At a suunto forum ? At a place where we help on our free time.

I suppose that that is a storytelling for you as well.

Have a good day

sartoric

@thanasis said in Suunto 9 Peak:

The watch seems premium by design but lacks an awful lot of features others offer who not necessarily add value though

So in fact one shouldn’t feel an adventurer based on the watch he’s wearing but based on the number of features the watch offers ?

thanasis

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos
Hi again ,
Really there was no offensive purpose or statement . Storytelling in corporations is the story, the purpose , the message behind the reason of existence . The message put across to your the customers and the prospective ones .

With that in mind I am trying to say that with your previous answer you stated this message, but not the value that watch is creating

Considering there are acknowledged shortcomings I would have expected that there is a plan for improving then instead of a suggestion of : live with them and enjoy what is being sold .

This is indeed a Suunto forum and people who write in it have genuine interest in the firm. Otherwise we wouldn’t care less . But we do ,without expecting anything else apart from seeing improvements in the future

So the only thing that I am expecting is for someone to consider my view as a long lasting customer

Have a nice day

ink357

Some times ago when i’d like to change my Spartan i took an eyes on Garmin watches. Personnaly, i was affraid by the numbers of features i didn’t care… so i prefered to stay with Suunto, its simplicity and efficiency.
Some days ago i sold my S9B and now, can’t wait to receive my S9P wich have to me real changes of conception until the Spartan

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@thanasis said in Suunto 9 Peak:

Storytelling in corporations is the story, the purpose , the message behind the reason of existence . The message put across to your the customers and the prospective ones .

Good explanation. Thanks for this. I assumed storytelling in the perspective of a tale. And that kinda made me react. Sorry for that my apologies.

I don’t want to raise hopes and promise features but we do have a long set of upcoming changes that we hope to deliver asap during this year. In the past Suunto had this with the Spartans and it all went south.

Arguably the s9P could have a more feature rich launch but then again we decided to let the features trickle down to other s series watches.

Allow me to take one step more and suggest to chat in pm.

freeheeler

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 Peak:

but then again we decided to let the features trickle down to other s series watches.

muuuch appreciated

EzioAuditore

@thanasis I have had Suunto, Polar and Garmin. Yes Garmin offers a lot compared to the others. BUT the metrics relevant for sport activities are so incorrect that immediately all the related and dependent metrics are a pile of sh…t (sorry for my language). The gps yes it looks so ‘smooth’ when you look at the map. When you check the distance and the pace though…. a random numbers. I will not get into details but I have both the f6x and s9b and on my half marathon (S9 showed 21.2, all the maps incl. Garmin explore show 21.1 and my f6 showed…. 20.1. That is a km shorter for crying out loud. And people have been complaining about it’s inaccurate pace since the day it released but the FW updates of Garmin have something like: enhance and improve dog tracker function, measure steps while skiing, etc. never dealing with the real audience of the outdoor watch. Suunto and Polar are so much better for athletes that need accuracy. Where Polar lacks its the build quality of Suunto and being made in China (no disrespect here but if you want EU product pay EU prices). In the end there is Xiaomi and Apple they both offer mobile devices with similar functionalities, what you choose is based on your preferences and ‘liking’.

aroo7

A lot of people write about the amount of data recorded by other watches (eg Garmin) compared to Suunto waches… and it is the argument that Suunto is not keeping up with the competitors.
I wonder if any of these people wonder about the quality of this data?
Stride length, ground contact time, etc. etc. and on the half marathon their watch shows a distance of 20 km … but that is not a problem for them the most important thing is to have 3 pages of indicators