Update time in Europe?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@julian-neher the update is out yesterday so I suppose no.

olymay

The things I would like…

A more detailed breakdown of the nights sleep. It’s nice to have x% deep, x% REM, etc, but I would like to see WHEN those periods happened. The Withings can do this and whilst it’s essential, it can be handy to see if and when anything affected my sleep during the night (has helped me make changes in the past).

I’ve found one way to get this breakdown view of the sleep stages!

It shows it really well in the Google Fit app

I’d rather see it in the Suunto app, so I’m hoping there is a way to do this.

Aleksander H

@olymay I uninstalled Google Fit as I got to frustrated with it. Are both sleep and hr being synced over from the Suunto app?

Egika

@aleksander-h yes. And Google Fit is asking extra permissions from the Suunto App to sync the sleep data.

olymay

@aleksander-h said in Update time in Europe?:

@olymay I uninstalled Google Fit as I got to frustrated with it. Are both sleep and hr being synced over from the Suunto app?

Google Fit is far from perfect, but I really like that it collates my data from various sources into one place (less important now that Suunto tracks my sleep however).
It also means that if I change services in the future (although the way things are going I will be with Suunto for a long time to come!) then I still have easy access to all of my data.

The sleep data is perfectly synced from Suunto to Google Fit (and GF is seeing that rather than my Withings data).

HR data doesn’t look like it has synced yet, but that might be because I haven’t turned off the Google Fit HR monitoring in the watch app. I’ll change this and see what happens.
Maybe someone with more experience can advise?

The only thing missing now is weight tracking in the Suunto App (and ideally auto importing from something like Withings or Google Fit).

Aleksander H

@olymay said in Update time in Europe?:

The only thing missing now is weight tracking in the Suunto App (and ideally auto importing from something like Withings or Google Fit).

I have a Withings scale. Would be great if measurements just went straight into the Suunto app via Google Fit. That would get me to reinstall the app .

Has Google Fit fixed the issue where we can’t delete workouts that originate from third-party apps? This was the issue that made me wipe my data and uninstall.

Egika

@aleksander-h @olymay
can you elaborate on the usefulness of a weight scale syncing data anywhere?
Does your weight change that quickly?
I am checking my weight every now and then and it has been constant für 2 years… I set it in the watch or app once - why would I need a frequent update (that has any impact on other things)? Even if I was 500g lighter in the morning and 500g heavier in the afternoon, that should not make a big difference…?
Please enlighten me.

olymay

@aleksander-h said in Update time in Europe?:

I have a Withings scale. Would be great if measurements just went straight into the Suunto app via Google Fit. That would get me to reinstall the app .

These scales really are great! I’m less concerned by the absolute figures and only pay attention to the trend line. And I can step on and forget, no need to actually read the numbers on the screen (which is handy as I do it in the morning and I’m not often fully awake at that point )

Has Google Fit fixed the issue where we can’t delete workouts that originate from third-party apps? This was the issue that made me wipe my data and uninstall.

Not as far as I can see. Never needed to do it myself, but I can see how this could be frustrating.

Nigel Taylor 0

@aleksander-h said in Update time in Europe?:

@nigel-taylor-0 said in Update time in Europe?:

Active - Grey as-is
Inactive - Lighter Grey

I feel this is already differentiated with the running man icon and the dot under the bar it applies to.

That only appears in the Watch, it needs to appear in the phone App also (same with sleep icon appears on Watch but not in the app).
(Note - I think ‘active’ is something more than just ‘workouts’)

How would one define if a bar should be red or not?

Well the app has decided!? Its written there at the bottom as a duration…I’d personally just like to see ‘when’ that was…

BUT…

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Update time in Europe?:

@nigel-taylor-0 resources go up or down. Green vs gray. Stressed and active and inactive can all be at the same 30min interval that each bar represents

I’m not convinced.

Right now - with 11hrs and 30mins of full sets of 30mins today…I see…
0:00h Active

1h:30min Inactive
2h:00min stressed
8h:00min recovering.

= 11:30mins - which implies a 30minute segment is aligned to a specific ONE of active/inactive/stressed/recovering.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@nigel-taylor-0 we dont color per stage. And yes the segments can be 20% stressed 30% something. IT really bases on HR and movement.

Up = green
Down = gray

We did try it with more colors but had it challenges and looked ugly. Unfortunately this is a decision taken

olymay

@egika said in Update time in Europe?:

@aleksander-h @olymay
can you elaborate on the usefulness of a weight scale syncing data anywhere?
Does your weight change that quickly?
I am checking my weight every now and then and it has been constant für 2 years… I set it in the watch or app once - why would I need a frequent update (that has any impact on other things)? Even if I was 500g lighter in the morning and 500g heavier in the afternoon, that should not make a big difference…?
Please enlighten me.

Personally, I weigh myself most mornings, once a day. I’m not interested in what the figure is, I pay attention to the trend line, which is nicely plotted in the Withings app. It also summarises each month and tells me if I went up or down that month (also does it annually).

Mine also tracks other body metrics such as fat %, muscle mass, bone density, water content, HR, pulse wave velocity). Again, I am less concerned about the actual numbers, I just want to see the trend going in the right direction.

Interestingly, I can look at the trend line to see when the lockdown started in the UK (all lines went in the wrong direction!) and when I started running over the summer (lines started going the right way!).

Nigel Taylor 0

@olymay said in Update time in Europe?:

HR data doesn’t look like it has synced yet, but that might be because I haven’t turned off the Google Fit HR monitoring in the watch app. I’ll change this and see what happens.
Maybe someone with more experience can advise?

I have Google Fit HR monitoring disabled & also don’t see heart rate pushed to Google Fit (EXCEPT the heart rate recording during Workouts).

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@olymay said in Update time in Europe?:

Interestingly, I can look at the trend line to see when the lockdown started in the UK (all lines went in the wrong direction!) and when I started running over the summer (lines started going the right way!).

Well that was expected right ?

olymay

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Update time in Europe?:

@olymay said in Update time in Europe?:

Interestingly, I can look at the trend line to see when the lockdown started in the UK (all lines went in the wrong direction!) and when I started running over the summer (lines started going the right way!).

Well that was expected right ?

Very much so. But the speed at which it changed was pretty scary and was what caused me to start running again. If I had waited for my actual weight to change a significant amount it would have taken much longer.

Aleksander H

@egika said in Update time in Europe?:

can you elaborate on the usefulness of a weight scale syncing data anywhere?

No need to enter the number manually. Step on it and forget it.

Does your weight change that quickly?

No, but it does change. I stepped on mine about 1 per week to check which way things are going.

I am checking my weight every now and then and it has been constant für 2 years…

We should all be so lucky . Mine started going up once I started working as a programmer. I started tracking weight to make sure it doesn’t go out of control

Nigel Taylor 0

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Update time in Europe?:

@nigel-taylor-0 we dont color per stage. And yes the segments can be 20% stressed 30% something. IT really bases on HR and movement.

Up = green
Down = gray

We did try it with more colors but had it challenges and looked ugly. Unfortunately this is a decision taken

Yeah- I did wonder if it would become harder to glance at…I think maybe a SLIGHTLY red tinged grey for the downward caused by Stress might be an improvement (I’d like to know when it thinks I’m stressed, as thats potentially actionable info to think about to alter future behaviours).

And definitely a future update of the phone app MUST add in the ‘Workout icons’ and ‘Sleep icons’ below the chart (as per shown in the Watch app) with just a solid bar at y=0…thats a given really and would enhance clarity massively (as proven/demonstrated on the Resources Tile on the Watch, which is frankly brilliant!)

Nigel Taylor 0

ie -

THIS…

(the sleep bar appears more purple tinged in real life)

…with the Activity and Sleep icons and lines (and ever so slightly gradient filled shade from the top), is significantly better than THIS…

…in terms of glanceable usability and giving a context to the day.

I’m guessing also (by the difference in slope), that after waking today, my first 2hrs are the ‘stressed’ hours, and the next 2hrs are inactive…a VERY SLIGHT red tinge to the grey might make that really visible.
(although @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos states that a 30mins can contain multiple types, I don’t believe that, the numbers add up to a whole which would indicate a 30minute segment is tagged ultimately as stressed OR inactive OR active OR recovering, (OR - not AND ) - it obviously is the case that individual minutes might be stressed or inactive or whatever, which is maybe what Dimitrious is referring to, but I guess there is some aggregation after each half hour period that decides what SINGLE bucket to tip a half hour segment into?).

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@nigel-taylor-0 the 30 minute time window that is represented and stamped as one unit can have multiple states.

Look at your watch now at 13:27 (my time) and you might be recovering. Start an activity, then it will be active. I suppose it will be in the end recovering (as 27mins were recovering)

But yeah the app needs a bit (or more) improvement to align with the watch

Nigel Taylor 0

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Update time in Europe?:

@nigel-taylor-0 the 30 minute time window that is represented and stamped as one unit can have multiple states.

Look at your watch now at 13:27 (my time) and you might be recovering. Start an activity, then it will be active. I suppose it will be in the end recovering (as 27mins were recovering)

But yeah the app needs a bit (or more) improvement to align with the watch

Hmm, and I guess looking at my Watch pic above, the activity does show to be “sightly less than” 2 bars…(I did an easy 45mins recovery run). So what you’re saying does add up.

But yeah - bash the best bits from the S7 Watch GUI into the Phone App and everyone is happy!

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@nigel-taylor-0 remember this could benefit us (s9) users that dont have those nice markers on the watch