System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

@brotzfrog10 the s7 was build as the first watch to utilize that low power processor and give you a good run time on wearOS.

Using BT is using the full processor. They didn’t want that. The specs are clear.

while we can debate with emprical examples who is wrong or right about the target market and what money it makes, Suunto should know better where to move via their data, income , sales etc.

[Aleksander H]

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:

@brotzfrog10 the s7 was build as the first watch to utilize that low power processor and give you a good run time on wearOS.

This may have been covered already, apologies if it has. When using the sports app on the S7. Is it running only on the low power processor? If so, would supporting BLE devices no longer allow this? I had trouble understanding the power consumption problem before, but if this is the issue, I understand.

[brotzfrog10]

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I appreciate your explanation for that for sure. However my concern with that statement is that if someone doesn’t want to use the sensor they don’t have to therefore not effecting battery life. This isn’t something that needs to be running in the background even when not being used. Once again it goes to opening the product to the broadest market possible. Plus back to your comment about Reddit users looking for a watch like the sunnto 7 along with your soccer mom comment. Watches in that market don’t have a 50mm diameter. I honestly believe (again my opinion) that a watch that size isn’t on the wishlist for a daily soccer mom and regular working woman). Sales of other smart watches bare that out. Other WearOs watches, Samsung, Fitbit, Apple and all Garmin save for the Fenix line are much smaller then The S7 and those are the watches driving sales. The 50mm and bigger watches are more niche amongst sports driven individuals (again look at fenix line, your own sunnto5, and 9, and the higher end of the forerunner line).

[Bulkan]

@brotzfrog10 DcGarminMoneyMaker… well, if a watch is not for triathlon or zwift is not good enough for him.

[isazi]

@Aleksander-H said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:

This may have been covered already, apologies if it has. When using the sports app on the S7. Is it running only on the low power processor? If so, would supporting BLE devices no longer allow this? I had trouble understanding the power consumption problem before, but if this is the issue, I understand.

It moves away from the coprocessor if e.g. you use the map, or if you receive notifications.

[Bulkan]

@Aleksander-H Yes. There are some info and interviews where they talk about the S7 and how use the low processor. Never done before.

[Aleksander H]

@Bulkan said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:

@Aleksander-H Yes. There are some info and interviews where they talk about the S7 and how use the low processor. Never done before.

Sounds like complex/impressive work. I wonder how easily the Suunto app can be ported to new chipsets in the future as it sounds like their doing pretty low level stuff.

[brotzfrog10]

@Aleksander-H that is a good call out. If the sunnto app can’t run on the main processor therefore eliminating Bluetooth sensor support then it essentially is what it is and sounds like there’s no way to upgrade the unit without a new watch being released. (Assuming the smaller processor just can’t connect to sensors). If it’s just a may drain the battery faster if used issue, again let the consumer decide how they want to use the watch. It’s like with Suuntos fusedtrack. The option is there to extend battery life but if all that mattered was more battery sunnto would just eliminate all other GPS sampling options and only have fusedtrack as the available option. Sunnto doesn’t do that for obvious reasons and leaves it up to the consumer to decide which is more important extended battery life or accuracy.

[Aleksander H]

@brotzfrog10 said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:

@Aleksander-H that is a good call out.

Wasn’t really trying to call out anything. It was meant mostly as an observation of how impressive the work they’ve done is. As for the porting my question was more about porting to future chipsets such as the 4100 and whatever else the future brings.

If the sunnto app can’t run on the main processor therefore eliminating Bluetooth sensor support then it essentially is what it is and sounds like there’s no way to upgrade the unit without a new watch being released.

Well, the map/navigation is part of the suunto app, and apparently is running on the regular processor.

[brotzfrog10]

@isazi so what a second it moves away from the co processor when using maps which would be realistically only used for longer duration activities right? That’s just my opinion from how I use maps on my own watch. I’ve never used maps for anything under a couple of hours because what would be the point otherwise. So essentially the longest duration activity type is moved away from the power efficient processor to the more energy draining processor. The one activity that longer battery life would benefit is moved to the part of the watch that drains the battery faster. Assuming I’m correct in this can you see how that logic doesn’t make sense? Especially in logic of the the earlier statement saying suuntos training app was built on the smaller co processor to save battery and hence is a possible reason why Bluetooth sensor connectivity isn’t possible.

[Aleksander H]

@brotzfrog10 said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:

@isazi So essentially the longest duration activity type is moved away from the power efficient processor to the more energy draining processor. The one activity that longer battery life would benefit is moved to the part of the watch that drains the battery faster.

I assume the whole point of showing a white arrow on a black background after a few seconds is to allow the app to return to the low power processor. So you’d only be using the regular processor when actively looking at the map.

[Fenr1r]

@brotzfrog10 The idea here, I think, is actually the same Suunto philosophy that carries over from the other Sx, which switch to highest GPS accuracy when using the “map” screens.

The point/intended use of the maps is NOT to use them continuously if you are in any mood to preserve battery life. You are supposed to get a quick and extremely accurate visual fix and go back to the stats screens.

Just like a paper map which is glanced at only occasionally rather than being held up in view for those longer duration activities.

[isazi]

@brotzfrog10 you’re just a troll, I will not waste any more time in replying to you sir.

[brotzfrog10]

@isazi that’s fine and I’m sorry you feel that way. I’m trying to figure out the choice to not allow sensor support. If it’s truly a implementation of the way the sunnto app is loaded on the co processor and the co processor doesn’t have the ability to connect to Bluetooth sensors because of not having the power to do so, then the reason for not having it at least makes some sense. If sunnto said we are going to run our app on the smaller less power hungry co processor so our gps activities can last a similar length to other non WearOs watches then I get it. At least the choice makes sense.

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

relax guys Lets focus here on the “update” thread. Issues etc. …

Lets open a new one for the “future” of S7 or something

[Aleksander H]

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos haha, sorry about that. I’m just to fascinated by the technical details of the S7 .

On another note, I got my update an hour ago. No tapping required! Set up a route with waypoints for some geocaches in the woods where I live to try out the new features. Unfortunately I won’t be able to do so before the weekend. Always pitch black outside after work. Not much fun looking for geocaches in the dark.

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

@Aleksander-H more lucky than me that since dec (and sept start) I am fighting with an infection. You have something look forward, I just hope

[Łukasz Szmigiel]

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos stay strong! Chronic infections be damned.

I’m lurking here to see some images of how does the updated navigation interface look like in S7. Can anyone share something?

S7 looks like a very promising direction for Suunto and the sports and weareables market. Perhaps in coming years watches like S5 and S9 will become a niche and more specialised while smartwatches like S7 will get as useful (battery wise, connectivity) as current generation of dedicated sports watches with an added benefit of full color, hi-res screen and OS.

[Randy Penn]

@iTomB said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39l0vHQ112I
in spanish…

From higher up in the thread. In Spanish, but you can turn on autotranslate. The video does a good job of showing exactly what you’re looking for.

[Jamie BG]

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos i think that initially you may have been correct, but I think that the market has significantly shifted over the last year, and that the changes that have been made to the S7 (route navigation, always on tracking screen, extended tracking battery life, imporvements to companion phone app) have put it in a unique position that it could just cover that niche, if a couple of changes (sleep tracking, 24/7HR, external bluetooth connection, interval training/multi sport) were made to include the missing pieces.

And lets face it, those changes are software related - they will not impact the wear os enthusiastis (who you are unlikely to get due to price point - they have no interest in fitness features and why pay more; they are more interested in health features, so sleep tracking and adjustable 24/7HR would assist in these sales) and soccer moms (due to size of watch and missing health features like period tracking, weight tracking, sleep, 24/7HR, water drinking etc) - they will still have the same watch - however those people looking for a full smartwatch and a full fitness watch - bingo - we have lift off. And I think there are loads of people like that - you just have to look at sales of Vivoactive / Venu / Polar and Coros and potentially even the Fenix range. And yes I know its possible to get a lot of these via additional apps - but who really wants to use multiple apps to track all this data - we all want it one app (part of the reason why Garmin sells so many fitness watches and Apple does so well on the smart watch front).

I think that you are unlikely to sway most Apple users (loose too many features), however you would probably get those that use an Apple Watch and a fitness watch - as a S7/suunto companion app with those features could be a viable alternative.