Nov transition update
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@Fenr1r well I disagree with you. Suunto will probably have a 30% or higher discount during that week for everyone, so it doesn’t make sense to keep the discount code valid during that week. If you have an older watch you have 6 months to decide what to do, and you probably already decided, and you can get 30% discount now or next year.
This is just for sake of discussion during my coffee break. I don’t want to hijack this topic with other stuff.
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@isazi said in Nov transition update:
it doesn’t make sense to keep the discount code valid during that week
It doesn’t make sense if the sole corporate goal is maximise returns at all times. It makes complete sense if Suunto genuinely “want [S,A&T-owners] to know that we appreciate [them], and that we’d love to continue adventuring together”.
But you’re right that the offer is only tangentially related to the Nov Transition Update.
Enjoy that coffee, if the break’s not over.
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@Ennoch POI support in the app is coming that is something discussed and #1 prio. Better than currently on MC.
If that helps.
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@isazi said in Nov transition update:
@Fenr1r well I disagree with you. Suunto will probably have a 30% or higher discount during that week for everyone, so it doesn’t make sense to keep the discount code valid during that week. If you have an older watch you have 6 months to decide what to do, and you probably already decided, and you can get 30% discount now or next year.
This is just for sake of discussion during my coffee break. I don’t want to hijack this topic with other stuff.
I think the offer says that the 30% discount is applied to the actual price in the web when the order is made, so I understand that this week is not included because then you can get a really good deal, black friday discount + 30% discount…
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Is there a date for this? Ultimately I’m still forced to move away from my twin widescreen monitors to a stupid little phone screen but the POI is a huge one.
The other bit is now having to pay a fee to create routes in software such as Strava or use frustrating home-baked sites to do what I can do in Movescount at the moment. If I could return this watch I would in a heartbeat - but as I’ve said before, I do appreciate your help and support in trying to resolve these issues. It’s just unfortunate that Suunto’s business model is firmly at odds with both how I do business, and what I want from my watch (what it does now).
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@cosmecosta
I wouldn’t buy anything direct from Suunto - that’s what I did with my Spartan Ultra. Unfortunately this means when you’re dealing with wilfully obtuse CSA’s on their helpdesk you’re unable to do anything as their response is basically ‘tough tits, deal with it’. At least if you bought it from a shop you could take it back and make it their problem.
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@Ennoch I do hope that the first version of pois is out OCT. I am also working on that regarding Android.
In regards to the BIG screen, not to say it to promote me, I made quantified-self.io for the same reasons like you.
Regarding route creation on MC that is not going away. MC will still allow creation of routes. You can create them there, load the GPX to a drive and get it to SA. Alternatively you can drag and drop the GPX to quantified-self.io and get it on your watch/app.
Not so optimal but not so bad imo
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I’m happy to hear that route creation remains on MC, and I wish Suunto opened the API between MC and SA backend for sending over routes.
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@halajos said in Nov transition update:
@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I’m happy to hear that route creation remains on MC, and I wish Suunto opened the API between MC and SA backend for sending over routes.
That’s actually very good one. Suunto opens api for third party services, but not for their own platform LOL
But hey, this service will “continue to evolve”. Is there a word with opposite meaning to word “evolution”? Devolution? That would be more appropriate.
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@Prenj said in Nov transition update:
@halajos said in Nov transition update:
@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I’m happy to hear that route creation remains on MC, and I wish Suunto opened the API between MC and SA backend for sending over routes.
That’s actually very good one. Suunto opens api for third party services, but not for their own platform LOL
But hey, this service will “continue to evolve”. Is there a word with opposite meaning to word “evolution”? Devolution? That would be more appropriate.
Lol sooo true. That is what I thought as well. Actually this aint bad after what I read here. If for example MC has the “best” (from what people say) for them route creation on the WEB, and SA on mobile, I mean why not? Even better. Make only the MC route creation a new THING/Product/Free and voila. Let people come to Suunto by using this. Sorry this was kinda personal opinion, dont want to “ruin” other people’s feedback.
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Any news on how Ambit 3 users can add/edit workouts?
That was previously only possible in the MC app and has not shown up in the new solution.
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@Ahlqvist add a manual activity?
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Okay, if Movescount keeps route planning for now then that may be a sufficient stop gap until I can justify the cost of switching to a Garmin, but ultimately it’s still a big question mark of ongoing support as Suunto could just pull the plug on support for that at any moment. Sure, I could trust that Suunto won’t do that but with past behaviours a good indicator of future behaviours I do not trust Suunto as a company, and they very much do not seem to have end users experience in mind with their decisions, so I do not trust that this will stay forever. It’s still going to lead to a crap user experience if I have to create, download, upload etc. This is a premium product with a very bargain basement experience.
I have registered for your site but I’m not really sure it adds much for me unfortunately as the real power of Movescount is/was the all in one place of heat map/route creation/POI’s/analysis etc. I just can’t understand Suunto’s decision to move away from a desktop application because no matter how good the App is, it’s still tracing out routes and doing stuff on a crappy little iPhone screen. A phone is handy for doing stuff outside, or checking up something while not in a position to use a proper computer. For everything else a proper computer/big screen is just infinitely better.
Similarly with POI’s. This isn’t aimed personally at you, but as the only person at Suunto who seems to care about the outward perception of the brand amongst consumers I’ll say it to you anyway; POI’s have been on the to do list for the App for well over a year. It’s been promised since long before I joined this forum as ‘coming soon’. What should make me believe this new report of ‘soon’ or ‘October’? Past performance indicates that Movescount will be blocked from communicating with my device long before POI’s are added in via the App. This is an absolutely ridiculous state of affairs given that I bought the watch because it had the POI functionality. Without it I may as well throw it in the bin. Do I trust that it’s going to be within the next few weeks, or do I stump up a further ridiculous amount of money for a Garmin to regain this functionality that I have already bought?
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@Ennoch just to make sure and perhaps help here.
With POIS are we talking about POI POIS right
? Not waypoints on a route correct? ( a little sanity check sorry) …And at what platform are you on (Android / iOS ) ?
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Yeah, advanced creation of POI’s as standalone navigation points which are not part of a route (i.e. I know where I’m aiming for but want a marker for an escape gully off the route of a mountain, or a hut, or an avalanche box etc). I use these all the time when I need to know the location of something but could be coming at it from any direction and thus am not interested in a pre-plotted route to get there. POI POIS in other words!
I’m running iOS.
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@Ennoch said in Nov transition update:
I’m running iOS.
I ll stay on this. I cannot “safely predict when pois come to iOS”. I could hint you regarding my team though (Android) and I kinda did (could have been more specific).
I am sorry
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Wow, just wow, I still can’t believe Suunto are pushing so hard for the removal of a platform while not providing users with an at least comparable replacement - it’s simply bullying tactics and I don’t respond well to behaviours like that, not when I’m invested either financially or emotionally. Interestingly under the Amer Sports banner sit Mavic, Arcteryx and Salomon, three other brands I have a number of products from. Not purchasing any more Mavic stuff is no great loss as they haven’t made anything particularly impressive for a good number of years, but Salomon and Arcteryx are disappointing; luckily there are enough decent alternatives. Because this attitude clearly comes from above Suunto I will simply look at the list of companies owned by Amer and avoid them all in future.
I know that as a developer you’re simply delivering what the company decides is its priorities, and to be honest I think that is unfair on you that you end up dealing with the flak from Suunto’s ridiculous decisions. Is the iOS app development really that far behind Android?
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@Ennoch you own a Spartan if I understood correctly right ?
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Yes, it’s a Spartan Ultra.
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