Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

@slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos if s3f would employ BW2.0 there would be 2 leds, s3f is having 3 so seems BW1.2 which is the same as on spartan baro.

And the answer :.

There’s an optical HR sensor and it’s the exact same Valencell model as on the SPARTAN TRAINER WHR (the latest Valencell BW2.0).

From

https://the5krunner.com/2018/04/04/suunto-fitness-3-first-look-first-runs-hands-on-not-a-review/

[SlaSh]

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos as per valancell technical datasheet BW2.0 HW design to use 2 leds.

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

@slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos as per valancell technical datasheet BW2.0 HW design to use 2 leds.

Uses 2 LEDs for retrieving data. The 3rd pauses on ibi. It’s a chip from valencel. This is the official answer. If you want I have a video for you for how it blinks.

[SlaSh]

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos I have datasheet from the valancell and bw2 only have 2 leds and optical detector… Even shape of the sensor looks differently. When I look at trainer/s3f sensor it looks exactly as BW1.2 in shape and etc.

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

@slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos I have datasheet from the valancell and bw2 only have 2 leds and optical detector… Even shape of the sensor looks differently. When I look at trainer/s3f sensor it looks exactly as BW1.2 in shape and etc.

I took a look at the sheet and did not see any specific limitation to 2LEDS as the module is movable and apart from the led system

Benchmark BW2.0 has an optimized design that provides the option to separate the MCU from the optical sensor, which gives customers the flexibility to move the MCU to another location and enable overall reduced device size or space for additional components in the device.

However I asked Suunto for a official reply (which was already in the article I posted)

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

Also from the technical sheet bw2.0

[SlaSh]

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos you can check yourself official data sheets, my main university graduation is electronics and I see quite big differences between these two sensors and how they work and looking at s3f sensor shape, how leds are placed and how many of them I can almost guarantee that it is BW1.2.:

https://valencell.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/000831-2.00-Benchmark-Wrist-1.2-Datasheet.pdf
On the left of the diagram, the sensor module circuit board contains a digital optical detector system,
three LEDs
https://valencell.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/000912-1.01-Benchmark-Wrist-2.0-Datasheet.pdf
On the left of the diagram, the sensor module circuit board contains a digital optical detector system, two
LEDs, and an accelerometer.

You cannot move so easily leds as it will impact measurement and etc, shape is one of the factors which cannot be amended so easily as this will impact production line and etc.

[SlaSh]

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos this drawing that you have provided shows 2 leds + optical sensor

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

@slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos you can check yourself official data sheets, my main university graduation is electronics and I see quite big differences between these two sensors and how they work and looking at s3f sensor shape, how leds are placed and how many of them I can almost guarantee that it is BW1.2.:

https://valencell.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/000831-2.00-Benchmark-Wrist-1.2-Datasheet.pdf
On the left of the diagram, the sensor module circuit board contains a digital optical detector system,
three LEDs
https://valencell.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/000912-1.01-Benchmark-Wrist-2.0-Datasheet.pdf
On the left of the diagram, the sensor module circuit board contains a digital optical detector system, two
LEDs, and an accelerometer.

You cannot move so easily leds as it will impact measurement and etc, shape is one of the factors which cannot be amended so easily as this will impact production line and etc.

I also finished electronics however it’s not my expertise.

Taking a look at the specs:

BW2.0

BW1.2

I dont see anything specific to the led sensors count.

Correct me or help me to understand (before suunto replies)

[SlaSh]

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos anyway no matter BW1.2 can provide vo2, RR and HRV as well, just the matter if suunto is willing to give this functionality for customers Once s3f released I can do reverse engineering of s3f FW to make sure what kind of sensor it is

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

@slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos anyway no matter BW1.2 can provide vo2, RR and HRV as well, just the matter if suunto is willing to give this functionality for customers Once s3f released I can do reverse engineering of s3f FW to make sure what kind of sensor it is

haha true but only resting RR eh!

Btw take a look at this:

What do you make out (I am not expert here) and I more will trust you @slashas rather than 5K runner etc.

[SlaSh]

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos looks like BW1.2 by shape, led placement 2 green, 1 yellow, optical sensor. Looks exactly the same as on my baro this is just speculations, to confirm that I need FW

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

@slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos looks like BW1.2 by shape, led placement 2 green, 1 yellow, optical sensor. Looks exactly the same as on my baro this is just speculations, to confirm that I need FW

I am with you on this one.

But as you I am also trying to understand.

Take a look here:

Left is the trainer and then it’s SSSWHR and Baro. The SSWHR and Baro have a different component.

[NicolasP]

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos in lot of reviews I’ve read that the Trainer uses the same OWHR component than Sport but presented differently as rotated by 180° and integrated differently as well as the modul is not hidden in the case of the watch.

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

@nicolasp said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos in lot of reviews I’ve read that the Trainer uses the same OWHR component than Sport but presented differently as rotated by 180° and integrated differently as well as the modul is not hidden in the case of the watch.

To be honest I do not really know. From my tests on S3F vs Trainer etc the light diodes do blink differently and I get IBI data from running and rest.

[SlaSh]

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos more expensive watches are having sensor under the watch frame, lower quality are under glass composite solution which is more easy and cheaper to manufacture.

[SlaSh]

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos led flashing might be FW related we will see if there are going to be any changes with comming FW to spartan line, currently my sensor fw level is 5196.

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

@slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos more expensive watches are having sensor under the watch frame, lower quality are under glass composite solution which is more easy and cheaper to manufacture.

I was talking about the leds. There are not the same. Take a closer look

[SlaSh]

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos but if you look how trainer is flashing, it is flashing the same as the baro or spartan with ohrm

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

@slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos but if you look how trainer is flashing, it is flashing the same as the baro or spartan with ohrm

yes yes that is what I said. But S3F has it continuously. At the start I thought my unit was broken.

Anyways I am kinda sure there will be an upgrade to the FW but not sure if the S3F goodies will come, perhaps not due to limitation of Hw but more over licensing.