Important news concerning our digital services
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I also appreciate your efforts on this. I think what most of us are looking for in the short term (ideally about 3 weeks ago!) is a statement from Suunto saying “We’ve made a mistake, we won’t shut down movescount until there is a solution for Ambit1, 2 and 3 owners to be able to use their devices to at least the same extent as they can now.” Then, as far as I’m concerned, Suunto can take as long as they like to figure out the details as to how a new platform will fully support the Ambits. I can understand why Suunto will take a long time to put together a detailed plan; but I can’t understand why it takes so long to make a simple statement saying; “we’ve heard you, we’re not going to limit the functionality of your watches in 2020 - a detailed plan will follow in due course”…
The fact that Suunto haven’t done this is making me, and I suspect other Ambit owners, increasingly concerned that Suunto haven’t heard us and haven’t even decided in principle to fully support Ambits beyond 2020.
I for one will not be buying another Suunto or having the battery in my 4 year old Ambit3 replaced until there is at least a guarantee I will still have full functionality in 2020 and beyond (albeit I don’t care too much how that functionality is provided…)
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@amasidlover Perhaps they want to come with this answer of declaring a mistake but it takes time to assure you or to follow up with what changes and what are the new plans.
As a customer of Suunto, I would give trust to them, until they take it away. And still they haven’t. I dont think they want to cripple all their awesome devices.
One thing I personally learned from all this, is that Suunto has some great HW and some really good customers. I think it’s like shooting your own foot if you let those down. And they are well aware of that.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos if Suunto is listening here is my feedback: Among other things, I really like the planning calendar in Movescount. I am following a training plan and highly value having my day’s workout sync to my watch. I’m concerned with the news that Suunto is going to phase out the Movescount web-based platform and not replace it with another. Will the phone-based Suunto app replace these functions? Working on phone platform is tedious, web is so much better. Big bummer if there is not a web-based platform, and training calendar. I love my Suunto Ambit3 Peak, and am considering the Suunto 9 Baro, but will wait until all this uncertainty is cleared up. If there is no web-based platform and the Ambit3 Peak is not fully supported I will have to go back to Garmin, sadly.
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Sorry, I’ve picked this up late.
So I’ll have to think long and hard before buying another Suunto watch without having a website sat behind the app. The reason I haven’t moved from Movescount to the Suunto App is for that very reason. It’s a must have!
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First, i’m sorry about my english, i am a french user.
I heard that closing the service Movescount will be a big injures for ambit1, 2, 3 users.
I bought my ambit3peak there is one year (more than 300€ !) and so, 2020 i can changed it.
I don’t understand the purpose of these kinds of decisions.
In the year, my girl friend bought an ambit2, i bought one ambit1 for my brother and one for my sister’s husband.Also, Suunto will be only on smartphone ? is it a joke ?
i loved import gpx files in my clock. Really dissapointedIf nothing is make for us, sure, i will never buy another suunto’s products.
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Les ambit3 sont compatibles avec Suunto App grâce à leurs connexion Bluetooth. Tu n’as pas de soucis à te faire de ce côté là!!
Mais plus du côté du contenu et des paramètres de réglages. Et surtout du fractionné complexe qu’offre l’application Movescount.Il reste encore pas mal de temps avant la deadline de Movescount. Pour l’instant, il reste pleinement fonctionnel.
Wait and see…
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@Mi_chael Merci de ta réponse.
C’est ce que je voulais dire en fait. C’est le côté contenu qui me dérange. Perdre des fonctionnalités, ça me dérange, notamment cette création d’entrainement possible sur l’appli movescount par exemple.
Mais bon wait and see comme tu dis, d’ici 2020 il y a le temps de voir venir
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On February 22nd I got the following e-mail from suunto as the reaction to an email I wrote on January 15th to their announcement:
Sadly it sounds as if there will be no support after mid of 2020.
In English:
we apologise the long time to answer your e-mail.
The experience of all users of the suunto-community is important to us in the phase of transition and new services
You will be able to use your suunto ambit2 for the next one and a half year as in the past. We understand and appreciate your feedback and are looking for the best solution for all users willing to use the new services.
We will inform you about our solutions per e-mail and on our suunto-website.
Best Regards
In German (original)
wir beziehen uns auf Ihre Anfrage vom 16. Januar. Die lange Bearbeitungszeit bitten wir zu entschuldigen.
Die Erfahrung jedes einzelnen Mitglieds der Suunto-Community ist uns besonders in Zeiten des Wandels und Übergangs wichtig.
Momentan können Sie Ihre Suunto Ambit mindestens für die nächsten anderthalb Jahre so genießen, wie Sie es in der Vergangenheit getan haben. Wir verstehen und schätzen Ihr Feedback und suchen nach den besten Lösungen für alle Produktbenutzer, die sich unserem neuen Service anschließen möchten.
Wir verpflichten uns, Sie per E-Mail und auf suunto.com über die Lösungen auf dem Laufenden zu halten.
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@tomge not really, sounds like nothing is decided yet… (looking for best solution for ALL product owners)
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@fhegnor That’s how I would read it.
I don’t have an Ambit but I hope that they either provide a standalone pc app that lets you download info and upload some settings, or opensource that side of things for others to develop.
I think if they could get a message out there that “there will be a solution for Ambit owners that enables data to be uploaded and settings to be changed”, even if that solution is not defined yet, that would at least show commitment that should ease people’s minds. Of course, no point making that statement until they actually can figure out what they can do!
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The real problem here is; they planted the seed of doubt…
Whatever they do…damage is done, and trust does not come easy.I dit support Suunto from T6 until the 9. I thought they did a bad job with the
Spartan (releasing beta product and bad communication). But we all make mistakes
and I bought a 9, so that is based on trust…If they go the way they projected; well, our ways will part I am afraid.
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I have an Ambit 2 which is perfectly functional and suits my needs perfectly. I don’t have time to read all the forum but what I can say is that I’ll probably never buy a Suunto product again if no solution is proposed on Suunto’s side to keep the Ambit 1-2 working once movecounts stops working (and I mean both ways: sync/configuration/upload of routes etc. as well as download of data – I’m a Mac user btw). I hope that is clear enough and that many other users will make that clear too.
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I would like to echo @jwiberg, and say that I, too, would like to test the API if/when that becomes available. I would be happy to help develop integrations with other services with such an API.
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@corvi42 api is available
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Adding my voice to the huge list of Ambit 2 (and other ‘old’ device) users that want the existing or equivalent digital services to remain available for my device.
If this digital services update makes my otherwise perfectly functional watch obsolete, I will be hugely disappointed. Like many others on this thread have stated - I would never buy another Suunto product if this “update” kills my Ambit 2.
Please can we have some commitment from Suunto that our older watches will continue to be usable into the future?
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I’ve been thinking about this a lot recently, because, depending on when/how the “conversion” process takes place, I believe I could be looking at my last ski-season using my Ambit 3 Peak to track ski days (runs, stats, etc, requires an app on the Ambit3).
Say if they do a big data import/export, into the SA “space”, in June, or similar, that’s it, unless they’re going to do it again, right before they completely “doorstop” my device, which is (sometime?) in 2020.
Given that there have been ZERO responses from Suunto here (even though they stated they were going to look at user-feedback here), it’s looking more and more likely this is their “stance”.
IF there was some response, or an addition to the page that talks about their roadmap, acknowledging users’ feedback, and their revised plan, I’d feel a bit better about this.
IME, when this type of change is part of a roadmap, and there is little “actual dialog” from the OEM, it’s because they’re decided and are designing one way, and don’t actually plan on significant adjustment, based on any feedback (of which there is a TON, not just here, people are talking about it on lots of “wearable” sites).If Suunto would come out with some sort of public statement, about how they plan on revising things (or not), at least we could all make decisions, accordingly, and move on or whatever.
I do happen to think that continued sales of the Ambit3, given that it’s about to be “seriously hampered”, say within a few months-year of sale, is very deceptive, and of questionable business integrity.
I’m upset, and my Ambit3 Peak is 2 years old (my still-fine-too Ambit 2, used for cycling metrics, is a bit older, 3.5 years), I’d be VERY upset, if I had just purchased one of these, say to track an “app sport”, such as skiing, to find out that I could only use it as such, for a couple of months… -
NO web interface, NO proper waypoints/routes management, NO major updates to the App nor to the watch SW, NO feedback, NO useability, NO feedback (yes, twice), NO roadmap… (add your NO…) = NO satisfied customers.
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@pescacebesforum said in Important news concerning our digital services:
NO web interface, NO proper waypoints/routes management, NO major updates to the App nor to the watch SW, NO feedback, NO useability, NO feedback (yes, twice), NO roadmap… (add your NO…) = NO satisfied customers.
New to Suunto and disappointed in three months (congratulations for the record)Agree on the first, hope this is coming at some time as we need waypoints. Definitely route management needs improvement and with a large number of routes loaded this I think will come.
I have seen many major updates to the app. The route import/export and drawing is great, the app is updated often with new features so the statement is incorrect. The watch SW (I do not know which one) will come I am sure. Suunto typically updates 3-4 times per year and I suspect the entire Spartan/S9 line will get an update this spring/early summer.
My watches work so they are useable and they work well with the app…not really sure what you mean here.
There is a lot of feedback here on the forum I believe.
There is not a roadmap as Suunto AFIAK is trying to respond to constructive customer requests so while there is a base roadmap I imagine, we do not have it.
I think there are quite a few satisfied customers. I have been a Suunto customer since the Vector was released in 1998 so your statement is inaccurate as I am a satisfied customer.
Cheers
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@Brad_Olwin I agree, mostly (for now).
Right now, I’m able to use my Ambit2 and Ambit3 Peak, without issue. I can use an app, for ski run tracking, on the 3, and I can sync/track data from my Ambit2, mostly a cycling tracker for me.
Once this goes into place however, I will NOT be able to use an app, so my “ski functionality” goes “out the window” from what I can tell, unless (by some miracle) Suunto goes back and adds a real DH skiing mode, to the Ambit3. Give that they still sell this watch, they should do something here, because they’re about to completely remove this ability.
Additionally, it seems like I really won’t be able to use my Ambit2 for tracking cycling at that point, either.I will have gone (probably essentially overnight, in about a year) from two fully-functional watches, to essentially zero.
In theory, I could “convert” to using my Ambit3 to track cycling, although it’s not very clear to me if I can still have customized screens and such, since Suunto refuses to clarify ANYTHING, other than some date, mid-2020.
Given their approach to this, and no way to get some sort of “deal”, given that they’re basically “disabling” my Ambit2 next year, on say a newer watch that natively supports DH skiing, I’m specifically NOT including Suunto in my search for the best option, moving forward, because I honestly don’t trust them.
To me, this seems like a really poor way to treat LOYAL customers (I also had a Vector, and even one prior to that, I believe). I had an S6, too, so I’ve long been a customer, at least 20 years, like yourself.
Maybe they don’t care about this market segment much, and figure that “new purchases/customers” will more than make up for the lost ones, it seems very “un-Suunto” from all my years of experience though. -
Suunto Customer NPS survey just landed in my inbox. This would be a good way to voice your opinion regarding this…
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