Open source Movescount web
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Thank you @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos for informing us. Your role is very much appreciated.
I am very unhappy about these news in any case. Web interface is a must (I have already voted in the requests section) and I can’t understand why Suunto make this half-baked announcement. It was obvious that people would complain about this (at least as of today’s available features) downgrade.
My Spartan is still very new but when the time will come I will think what brand I will buy in the light of the features available at that time (not merely promised).
One thing Suunto could think about is open sourcing Movescount so that the community could keep improving that and expanding the lifetime of perfectly capable watches as the Ambits.
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@jsuarez Thanks for this suggestion. I have already noted it -> transfered.
I am sorry for the bad news I cant say anything more
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@jsuarez When I asked Suunto support about web they said this:
“Hi Marcus. Thank you for choosing Suunto. The Suunto App has a pc interface which is sports tracker. You can use your Suunto App credentials in logging in.”
But Sports Tracker use Google maps, which doesn’t feature as many small paths as Mapbox on Movescount…
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@Marcus-Lilliecrona
The sports-tracker.com interface does not look bad, but lacks all the analysis options and progress tracking MC web had. I especially like the option to see the year progress and be able to filter by heart rate to see if my aerobic capacity is improving (for instance).
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@jsuarez I agree
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@jsuarez Sports-Tracker sucks.
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@jthomi
I don’t see such a bad base there that cannot be improved to offer some of the functionalities of MC web. But obviously there are personal preferences and perceptions. -
@jsuarez Yes, I agree with you. But right now, it can’t be a replacement for MC.
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@jthomi
100% agree. Now it just doesn’t cut it. -
Guess it was better to change the tittle to “open source movescount” or “open source ambits”
I guess it was the way to go, no effort from suunto and people who have those watches could have an alternative. -
@André-Faria
You are right. Done now. -
My personal views to this, not official Suunto statement: Even if the code would be good enough to be open sourced (not going to give my opinion if it is pretty or not) it would be really, really difficult to get the cost of the required servers covered by open community. I don’t have any exact numbers and would not be able to give them if I’d have, but I know it it pretty big number
This is business and in the end it always will come to money and cost and how to balance with them and the user requirements. To keep the product promises Suunto has given and is giving we need to offer certain services. Since Amer now have two databases for activity data, one can easily see the reasoning why to combine them. That selected one will be the database that all Amer brands will be connected to. Now we just have to see what is really, really required and what features do we need to build on top of the chosen database. Mobile only is big in China and I can personally see the trend towards that. How ever, there is a very clear tone in the feedback that the web is really, really required. I’m personally eagerly waiting to see what will we offer in that area in the next ~2 years, until we have only the one database left. It can also be noted that due some regulations in China, the Movescount do not exist there anymore.
One final personal thought about the Sports-tracker and Suunto. They share the same database and are both owned by Amer. They co-operate, but run their business independently. So if Suunto would decide to open up a sport wearable dedicated web-front, it will be accessed through www.suunto.com. It is however true that you can access the same data through other sites. If you dig the Amer stock releases and dig the Sport instruments parts you may find out what kind of size we speak when we speak about Suunto and for example Garmin. You may also find out what have the money flows been between Amer and Sport instruments. I personally love the Ambit’s, but have been learning to love also S9 and Suunto app too. (I do some endurance stuff so battery is the key to me) The Suunto app (as platform) is not quite yet in the level I wish it would be, but I have the possibility to work daily to get it there and I’m really grateful about all the feedback and time from all of you in this forum and in the beta and so on that are helping me and my co-workers to build the new app better than Movescount is at the moment. -
@Jouko-from-Suunto
Thanks a lot! -
@Jouko-from-Suunto
Thank you so much for your transparency and taking your time to post a reply.Probably in the end the result will be good but the communication was quite “improveable”, to say the least.
Anyway, big kudos to the developers and may the force be with you to bring a great web platform!
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@jsuarez I have unfortunately correct? / make more clear? some details. I’ve been a developer, but not in Suunto, so a long time ago. Currently I’m working mainly with the apps. Mainly with Android releasing and Field testing areas. I have no visibility to what web shall we have if we will have one, I’m pretty sure we need to have one to support certain features properly. Now it is all up to the discussion and feedback here that needs to be understand by business doing the decisions about the future. I hope we will have what is needed. So my post should not be read as promise of a similar web front as Movescount is now and really carefully read like if there will be one it will be also different from Sports-tracker. To my personal understanding. I do not run the decisions, but I try to influence them by giving the feedback from this forum and some other touch points to users.
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@Jouko-from-Suunto
Jouko, your message was perfectly fine and I am not reading it as a promise either. You made it quite clear that it was your personal opinion, not that of Suunto’s official position.
When I said the communication was not good, I was referring to yesterday’s Suunto official notice. My impression is that it was half-baked and much of the trouble would have been spared if proper analysis was carried out to detect the problems users would come up with, think if that could be solved before MC web is closed and make a full, proper communication in a few weeks/months time. After all, announcing the closure of MC in 15 months is almost equal as 18 months.
If you are going to give your feedback internally, it might be worth taking a look at what pieces of information and functionalities MC web has that are not present in the current offerings of SApp or STracker (or included in the internal roadmap). For example, I could name the following:
- A personal bests section (this year/all time where you are even given a % standing based on moves of other people of your age group).
- A personal yearly progress section where you can filter by length and heart rate (this MC web feature is outstanding, in my opinion).
- Being able to see other values the Suunto gear gathers or MC web is capable of calculating. E.g.: EPOC, VO2max calculation, breathings per minute, Heart Rate Variability, etc. With regard to those values calculated by MC, it “should” be easy to take the function from MC web’s code and re-use it in Suunto App backend, I guess…
- And obvioulsy all the accesibility using a big screen, keyboard and mouse a web frontend brings.
Edit reason: typo
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@Jouko-from-Suunto Thank you! It is encouraging to know that you, @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos and other staff are fighting for a better future for this project. We will win all!
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@Jouko-from-Suunto said in Open source Movescount web:
but I know it it pretty big number
Jouko, Suunto is selling 500+Eur watches and people who buy this type of premium device expect a premium software environment same or even better as Garmin or Polar has to offer (both have web front end and mobile), reading your personal opinion I really hope that this is not internal thoughts in the Suunto realm that an a AWS cloud service is too expensive for our just sold 500+ watch let’s cut and make it cheaper with a mobile only version due cost savings of the servers. If Suunto is serious in playing a significant role in the device market they need to compete with the top not with the bottom cost cutters as there are plenty. Yesterday Suunto announced they ramp down movescount hence cutting service level and offering…
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@Tobias-F Web based apps, or let me say it like so, a web interface does not / should not put extra load to servers. On the contrary (as a web dev) mobile apps can add extra load.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos was referring to the line that an AWS cloud is costing a hell of money …
