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Looks like a big tasty mud cake for trolls
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@Tobias-F
And it will cost Suunto a lot of customersā¦
If Suunto really disappointed a lot of Ambit2 users (Iām one of them) I would never buy a Suunto again. -
@awinkel
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I really canāt believe that creating a web version for the Suunto app is under discussion and Suunto needs feedback in order to decide about it. The option to be able to view and analyse your data on a pc web platform as powerful and analytical as Movescount (contrary to the āchildishā SportsTracker we currently got) is elementary. There is a good reason everyone else has it and innovating and standing out is not about giving less, rather than giving more.
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@Tobias-F do you believe that this is the case after all the announcements? Its a service transition to better SW imo or eyes. Suunto might know a bit better itās internal systems and when itās time to transition. No?
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos From a technical perspective, probably yes. But in the process youāll lose all the goodwill youāve built up with your customers in the process.
Think this is a shitshow? Wait until the majority of Ambit 2 and diving watch users find out their watch will no longer work in 2020. None of those people, their friends or family will every buy any Suunto product ever again.
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@valdis830 You mean Suuntoās modern watchs? Iām still not sure they work better than old Ambit 3 Peakā¦
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@pcjmfranken To be honest I dont like these words:
Think this is a shitshow? Wait until the majority of Ambit 2 and diving watch users find out their watch will no longer work coming next summer. None of those people, their friends or family will every buy any Suunto product ever again.
I am the messenger here and as much as I am trying to help you this does not help me stay on this conversation. Mainly the tone. However, due to the sh#$ you mentioned I ll continue to gather what I can.
I am not sure how many people will actually get in this storm. I guess we will learn eventually. However just by looking now at some stats the users that have A2 are few compared to everyone else, a small percentage.
That said itās an announcement made now, its not about next summer which is in like 6 months but in almost 2 years the earliest.
I am also kinda sure Suunto will do something for those users. So please direct constructive feedback friend.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos ābetter softwareā ? with todaysās announcement (the first officially about Movescount future from Suunto by the way) itās a regression and reduction of service quality and functionality, removing the web front end, limiting to an mobile app only without proper backwards compatibility for existing devices as sold today, no I donāt think Suunto know what there are doing with this existing ecosystem of 1.35Mill Movescount user accounts to be honestā¦
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Just thinking out loud - Suunto is still listing Traverse & Ambit3 and so do retailers; unless specs, marketing materials and user guides are updated, one would still expect 2 year warranty and availability of all promised functionality, including those that need a certain remote service to be up and running. At least in EU this might turn into quite an interesting debate about consumer rights. Or perhaps there is a reason why Suunto social media channels are quiet and thereās no news about it at suunto.com ā¦
Considering limited resources, current priorities and those features being rather specific, itsnāt it rather likely that Ambit3 users will never see a workout planner nor Suunto Apps once Movescount is retired?
I also wonder if someone at Suunto has played with the idea of opening up some parts of legacy protocols and codebase? Licensing & other legal terms canāt put a block to everything, can they? Openambit, one of alternative sync clients, has reached to a point where it can replace Movelisnk2 for quite a few Linux users and also provides codebase for some Android projects. Yet itās not complete. Donating some intellectual property for a community would be seen as quite a nice PR move, Iād assume.
Or might there be some hints for the future in a fact that SuuntoLink can actually get along with Ambits?
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@Tobias-F Well that is the start. Its not closing one and switching to the other now. Would you have prefered for this announce to happen lets say next year?
You say :
no I donāt think Suunto know what there are doing with this existing ecosystem of 1.35Mill Movescount user accounts to be honestā¦
How do you know that number?
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What can I say? This escalated quickly
Poor @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos! I think the next few days youāll put in your monthās worth of hours into this forum
Hold in there! The real joy is coming when Suunto pulls the plug on Movescount. Though Adidasā miCoach went out with more of a whisper than a bang. But then it never had much following to begin with.@akamatos said in Important news concerning our digital services:
I really canāt believe that creating a web version for the Suunto app is under discussion and Suunto needs feedback in order to decide about it.
For all we know, Suunto might be working on a web based companion as we speak. Hell, they might be working on a progressive web app as some already mentioned here, that would work equally well on the desktop and phones. The Movescount isnāt shutting down tomorrow. Not even a year from now. Mid-2020 is a long, long way off, and where thereās 18 months, there can be 24, or even 36. Hell, they may leave it running for Ambit2 and older dive computer users and lock everyone else out for all we know.
Then thereās something to be said about building an open data gathering platform (your Suunto watch) that feeds data into other services or integrates analysis from them, be it Strava, Training Peaks, and what not. I understand people want to have a full featured set of free services attached to their device, but how many of you still rely on premium Strava, Training Peaks, Sports Tracks, and other subscriptions because whatās included in āfreeā is often inadequate? Perhaps, not trying to be everything for everyone and focusing on core competencies is a viable path forward too?
Iām wondering how many Ambit2 users are still out there? Will be there two years from now this Suunto move notwithstanding?
Somebody brought up the iPhone analogy. Yes, you can still use your older iPhone assuming you paid for a battery and most likely a screen replacement. Better still, why not compare Ambit2 situation with the original āSeries 0ā Apple Watch? Apples to apples, no pun intended!
Tried running anything on it lately? Sometimes you donāt have to shutdown a service to effectively end a deviceā¦ Just saying. Not for flaming. -
@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Whether the s/w is better or not is not the key question though. If the s/w only exists/runs on a physical platform which is ill-suited to the type of usage. Reviewing and planning routes is never going to be either āas goodā or ābetterā on a phone screen as on a larger screen. Similarly, āseriousā analysis of post-activity data is far less satisfactory on a small screen than a large one. Whilst both those things may be possible on a small screen, they are not better and hence the s/w, taking into account where it runs as well as what it does, is also not better.
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@Mike-Green I hear you. Thanks!
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No more website provided by suunto in 2020 ?
I donāt think that app mobile can provide the same comfort of analyzing data from a web siteā¦
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos ā¦ 'How do you know " ā¦ member search function via movescount web community page
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos is this feedback form https://www.getfeedback.com/r/Smx5YSkJ still open? Would be a good opportunity for Ambit3/Traverse users to give feedback now that the announcement about MC ramp down is made. I assume that not many had filled this back thenā¦
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@NickK look, my first car is becoming 8 years old this year. So Suuntoās decision is like if my carās manufacturer says āwe wonāt change oil after 2019 and you have to stop opening and closing windows, as well as using lightsā and there would be no service available. It still runs, you just may not open windows and use lights. But I can (even!) fill up the tank!
ā¦will make me unlikely to buy another car from this manufacturer. Ehrr?
Nothing personal.
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āearliest in summer 2020ā
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@NickK said in Important news concerning our digital services:
@akamatos said in Important news concerning our digital services:
I really canāt believe that creating a web version for the Suunto app is under discussion and Suunto needs feedback in order to decide about it.
For all we know, Suunto might be working on a web based companion as we speak. Hell, they might be working on a progressive web app as some already mentioned here, that would work equally well on the desktop and phones. The Movescount isnāt shutting down tomorrow. Not even a year from now. Mid-2020 is a long, long way off, and where thereās 18 months, there can be 24, or even 36. Hell, they may leave it running for Ambit2 and older dive computer users and lock everyone else out for all we know.
āFor all we knowā, I made the above comment based on the recent official Suunto announcement and Dimitriosā other comments, prompting users to give feedback requesting a new web platform, because the answer to whether we are going to have a replacement for Movescount was both āyes and noā, as he said. Those are facts. Not assumptions about what Suunto might be doing as we speak.
With that said, I have good faith that in the end Suunto are going to work it out somehow and have most of the people satisfied, but on the other hand I believe that this announcement, on a communicative level, was a bit failure. It just informed us that āSuunto app is the futureā, which we already knew, that Movescount is shutting down (which many would have already imagined) and on the same time, it keeps us vague about the web integration of the devices, some of which (like the Ambit2s) are totally incapable of using the future of Suunto app. On this context, it sounds reasonable to me that this announcement has mainly caused panic rather than excitement about the future.
