Navigation and Climb guidance

Dušan Ković

@Tieutieu That also happens, but I got downhill section 2/3 up the real climb. Not few meters before the end

isazi

@Dušan-Ković as far as I know, this should be fixed with a new firmware release, maybe soon

Dušan Ković

I just had a bike ride on which I could take a better look on Climb Guidance. It was terrible. it just doesn’t work correctly. On some climbs it breaks single uphill part into part uphill and part flat, but in real world it was all uphill. It just doesn’t translate terrain from real-world to Climb Guidance. I am guessing that big part in this is elevation data available. But still, Suunto should get proper height data. This is just not reliable.

vinc14

Hello
this Climb guidance will it also work for Hiking and it is possible to define by my self what is cat 1 to 4?
have a nice day
vinc

Tieutieu

@vinc14 as long as you navigate along a route it will work for hiking, cycling, running….
You have no access to any settings except climb guidance alerts on/off

sorinus

Something is not working properly with the way climbs/uphils/descents/downhils sections are calcualted. Last weekend I raced Istria 69K using my Vertical with the last SW. Climb gudiance showed me only 1 climb/uphill section and only 1 short descent/downhill. Completely out of reality and useless. My friend’s Garmin had many more sections and in line with reality.

Is there any setting about climb guidance sensitivity? I couldn’t find any.

If anyone wants to check here is the GPX track I used https://istria.utmb.world/races/69K (my only update to the track was adding 4 waypoints).

Ecki D.

@sorinus I do create most of my gpx tracks with komoot and adding those to the suunto app they work for navigation but not so good for climb guidance.
I found when re-editing a gpx track coming from somewhere else climb guidance works much better.
Did you add your waypoints in the suunto app or somewhere else?

sorinus

@Ecki-D. I added my waypoints in the suunto app.

Audaxjoe

Sunnto only really counts decent climbs as a climb, the rest it grades as uphill.

I find Suunto much better than Garmin or Wahoo, but it is down to personal preference.

If Suunto tell me a climb is coming I know it is a climb!

Wahoo gives nearly any slope climb status and Garmin seems to be in the middle.

Sometimes the Wahoo also breaks one coin into several sections. I do not find the Suunto doing this but it does often not count climbs that are short.

I rode across Spain a couple of weeks ago, Atlantic to the Mediterranean, Id always check the Suunto climbs to get a good idea of the terrain for the day. I thought it was excellent.

But it certainly only marks climbs that you will most definitely notice! I use the Vertical.

Audaxjoe

@sorinus “in line with reality” I guess that depends on your reality.

One person’s mountain is another person’s hill!

For me I like the conservative nature of the Suunto climbs guidance.

I have a wahoo also. That is just daft. I have it set to med/hard climbs only and most are just slops

People with Garmin seem in the middle.

On some routes last year when riding with friends at the start of the day the Suunto would show one climb, Garmin maybe 15 and the Wahoo about 30

I wouldn’t say any are wrong, just a different approach.

sorinus

@Audaxjoe said in Navigation and Climb guidance:

@sorinus “in line with reality” I guess that depends on your reality.

One person’s mountain is another person’s hill!

That’s now how my Suunto works. I tested it before the race with a track created by myself in Suunto app on the hills around my city, and it did identify most if not all climbs/uphills. The thing is in the race track there were much steeper climbs/uphills compared with the ones in my area but it didn’t identify those.

So I guess is what the other poster said, it may be a problem with imported GPX tracks vs suunto app created tracks. If so, is there a service where I can upload a 3rd part GPX and export it again and this time with proper Suunto climbs guidance?

2b2bff

@sorinus unlike Garmin, Suunto takes the elevation information embedded in the GPX and does not recalculate it with the maps data Suunto has. That’s very unfortunate, leading to no elevation profile at all, if not included in the GPX file - something I complained before.

Only chance is to import the GPX in some other tool and export it from there with correct elevation data. However, I haven’t done this, yet.

Audaxjoe

@sorinus GPX editor. You can import, add the elevation then export again to Suunto. Lots of others as well.