How is the 9PP positioned with the new arrival of the RaceS?

DirkM

@VoiGAS I have been a runner for many years and see no problem in raising my wrist and waiting for the display to activate - in less than a second, in my opinion. But maybe we have different needs. Besides, the MIP display has been no different in twilight and darkness with the backlight turning on.

VoiGAS

@isazi You are right - but there is still no solution for situations without lift to wake, right?

VoiGAS

@DirkM I agree, in darkness/twilight the MIP was worse. But for my preffered weather conditions it was perfect.
So it depends, but I think it is important to be clear about the pros and cons.
For Indoor, twilight, night, home AMOLED is better
For Sun MIP is better
As this is a major difference between 9PP and Race S it fits here

Mauerwegler

Fun fact:

A refurbished S9PP Ti costs 359 € right now.
A brand new S9PP Ti costs 349 € right now.

Maybe it is because the refurbished one is Made in Finland?

far-blue

Clearly the obvious solution is to own both a Race S and a 9PP

Brad_Olwin

@VoiGAS said in How is the 9PP positioned with the new arrival of the RaceS?:

An update here after more usage: Yes, maps are great - but not as much as I thought. After a longer Trail Run today I noticed that about 50% of the trails on Y crossings were not in the map. So it also didn’t help in this case. And in the case where it helped I’m not sure if I would also be able to find the right way with the old maps.

And Display: AMOLED is rubbish. I really, really hate it after I did some workouts and the longer run today. Its like the watch is trying to work against you, turning of the screen all the time. Even when I activated AOD in every sportsmode the map still gets dark until its not readable anymore. And still, after 9h running with navigation the battery was below 50%.

Well, I respectfully disagree here. I don’t use AOD and find responsiveness on turning my wrist superb - I have no issues while racing where I have less time to glance at the Screen. With navigation on I am getting close to 30h battery estimate. On a 7h 26 min 50K race with navigation and climb guidance I lost 14% battery on Race S as measured by JSON file. Both are in direct sun at 1700 m elevation.
@wakarimasen

Below are zonesense from Race S and Vertical. The AMOLED screen refreshes quickly and shows up in photos.

VoiGAS

@Brad_Olwin Thats really strange. My Race S takes about 1 second to light up, even after a hard reset. Is yours faster or is this lag acceptable for you?
Regarding battery lifetime: Did you use maps on navigation? I heard thats the big battery eater and I used them on my 9h run. Without them the battery lifetime seems good enough. Even good enough it could power a real Always On Display in my opinion…

Edit: Measuring the one second speaking the word “twentyone”. Not very scientific or precise - but I can speak the whole word before the display lights up, so this should be around one second

Brad_Olwin

@VoiGAS battery lifetimes with maps on but not on map page 100% and course loaded but no TBT. As fast as I turn my wrist screen is bright no AOD and full raise to wake. During non- exercise might be slower but that doesn’t matter. During exercise plenty fast for me but likely not fast enough on a bike.

VoiGAS

@Brad_Olwin Interesting, thank you for this answer. Looks like the watches behave a little different. I hope one of the next updates will give me a similar performance - then I am perfectly happy with the Race S

Edit: Found some strange behaviour after experimenting with the settings, but its to OT here - I opened a new topic

VoiGAS

Maybe some positive things about the Races S compared to 9PP
I already said I don’t like the AMOLED display at all. But there is one thing I really like: the torch feature. I thought about it as a useless gimmick, but it works great and easy to access via shortcut
The maps are not as useful as I thought for Y crossing and routing. But if you are not following a route and just want to checkout where a trail will bring you during a hike - perfect!

So two points for the Race S

VoiGAS

Is it just for me or did Suunto really changed back the price of the Peak Pro? For me in the shop the price for the steel version is again 349€ after it went down to 299€ some weeks ago.
I don’t think they will sell a lot for the price of the Race S

TrailEyes

@VoiGAS On the U.S. site, steel 9PP listed at $249. Not sure why there’d be such a difference between dollars and euros though.

VoiGAS

@TrailEyes Thats a great deal!

Audaxjoe

@VoiGAS also think about it on a bike handlebars. Next to useless. The Vertical is always readable. If it gets dark you turn the backlight on.

Elipsus

@TrailEyes That’s usually because US prices are displayed w\o taxes (as it varies from state to state) while euro prices include VAT

Egika

@VoiGAS I just measured the screen response time using a video with timestamp.
from turning my wrist to the screen lighting up with data it is exactly 200ms in my Race S

TrailEyes

@Elipsus That doesn’t seem to usually be the case actually. For example, France/Germany sites have the titanium Vertical at €799 while in the U.S. it’s $839. So the U.S. price in that case is higher.

Other pricing tends to match, like titanium Race at €549/$549 and steel Race S at €349/$349, etc.

Comparing the sites, it’s more that the U.S. appears to get more sale pricing opportunities. Not only is the 9PP listed at a sale discount for the U.S. only, but both Wing and Sonic are being offered at U.S. discounts too whereas Europe isn’t getting those deals.

VoiGAS

@Egika Thats very strange! 200ms would be great, maybe my unit is somehow slower. What are your display settings? Time starts from lifting the arm, not from entering the Field of View, right?

Egika

@VoiGAS time starts from watch reaching horizontal position (before this, the watch cannot know I want to read it) until screen is showing data.
Setting: AOD: off, raise to wake: full on

pilleus

After testing the Race S extensively, I’m sticking with my 9 Peak Pro. With a Race S upgrade.