And it happened again... Forgot to download a map...
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@Kramble fanboy hereš«”, always wiling to help out.
In all seriousness, the helpfulness of the forum members (including testers and Suunto employees) is one of the reasons Iām a fan of Suunto. I can usually get my questions or problems resolved quickly by their input.
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I must admit I do find some humour in the situation! But also some sympathy.
I have a long trip planned in the summer, 2000 or so KM from Zagreb back to Rotterdam for the UK ferry, by bike.
I normally use a bike computer for navigation on ride like this, but with the amazing battery life of the Vertical thought Iād use that, at least for a backup.
Trying to fathom what bloody maps to download is a real pain, Iām crossing ten countries, some are easy just one map, but others like France and Germany you need a degree in European Geography to know which maps to downloadā¦
I think I have got them all but wouldnāt be surprised if I end up with no map somewhereā¦ There is no shortage of memory on the Vertical, it would be so much easier say France and Germany was divided into two or three maps. Or just oneā¦
So I imagine in the summer Iāll end up somewhere with no mapsā¦
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@Audaxjoe said in And it happened again... Forgot to download a map...:
There is no shortage of memory on the Vertical, it would be so much easier say France and Germany was divided into two or three maps. Or just oneā¦
Or better ā¦ multi selection and ādownload allā option for the country.
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@sartoric Yes that would work. But why they need to divide country without providing a map of the maps
I donāt know. Even using current system but chosen from a map would really help
It like the team who have implemented it seem to think people donāt travel
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Map management on the Suunto Vertical and Race is a nightmare.
Why canāt I just choose to download an entire country? Or even better, just let me download all of Europe in one click like I can do on Garminās watches.I just finished downloading all of Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark on to my Vertical. To do so I had to let it sit for about 10-15 hours on the charger next to my routerā¦ Hopefully I wonāt go traveling across Europe this summer.
And yes, all of Europe on any Garmin watch with map support is just ONE map for the entire Europe, which maybe takes 10-15 minutes to download and sync onto the watch!!! Quite different experience.
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@neonix yes that was my experience with Garmin and also Wahoo. You really donāt have to think about the maps they are just there.
And obviously with Garmin you can load custom maps and overlays.
Still prefer my Suunto Vertical however
ļø And when the maps are on the Suunto they are super smooth and always seen to point in the correct direction. I think the mapping is great, just so complicated to load! -
@neonix said in And it happened again... Forgot to download a map...:
Why canāt I just choose to download an entire country? Or even better, just let me download all of Europe in one click like I can do on Garminās watches.
Just a guess here, but I believe that Garminās maps are all vector based, while Suuntoās (and Corosā) are image based. So when you download Suuntoās maps, youāre actually downloading a large image file for every zoom level. Thatās six zoom levels (I think?), so six images per area downloaded.
Vector based imagery is much more efficient size-wise. For instance, an entire USA vector map on Garmin is ~4GB, where just one state on Suunto is ~4GB.
The downside of the vector-based map system is that it must redraw the map every time you rotate the screen or zoom in and out. This is where the Suunto maps have the edge in that they are simply displaying a background image with far less processing.
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@Audaxjoe said in And it happened again... Forgot to download a map...:
@neonix yes that was my experience with Garmin and also Wahoo. You really donāt have to think about the maps they are just there.
And obviously with Garmin you can load custom maps and overlays.
Still prefer my Suunto Vertical however
ļø And when the maps are on the Suunto they are super smooth and always seen to point in the correct direction. I think the mapping is great, just so complicated to load!Agree! The Garmin topo maps are OK/good, but I rarely bother to use them because they are so slow and sluggish on the watch. And small trails are like 1 pixel wide and difficult to see. Zooming in and out and panning is so slow. The usability of the maps on the Veritcal is superb by comparison, itās just sad that they miss on-device routing and names of lakes and paths and pre-loaded POIās. And the map management is horrible.
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@duffman19 said in And it happened again... Forgot to download a map...:
@neonix said in And it happened again... Forgot to download a map...:
Why canāt I just choose to download an entire country? Or even better, just let me download all of Europe in one click like I can do on Garminās watches.
Just a guess here, but I believe that Garminās maps are all vector based, while Suuntoās (and Corosā) are image based. So when you download Suuntoās maps, youāre actually downloading a large image file for every zoom level. Thatās six zoom levels (I think?), so six images per area downloaded.
Vector based imagery is much more efficient size-wise. For instance, an entire USA vector map on Garmin is ~4GB, where just one state on Suunto is ~4GB.
The downside of the vector-based map system is that it must redraw the map every time you rotate the screen or zoom in and out. This is where the Suunto maps have the edge in that they are simply displaying a background image with far less processing.
Maybe allow us to choose what zoom levels to download then? I donāt need all zoom levels personally. Garminās maps were initially designed for car GPS units and stuff, and it shows, they are horrible slow and sluggish to use on a watch. But they do have preloaded POIās, on-device routing and stuff like that. Proās and cons with both!
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@Olaf-Gottschalk said in And it happened again... Forgot to download a map...:
@Kramble said in [And it happened
So basically, you go in the mountains for a trip, you forgot your map at home and it is your dentistās fault ?
This is proof enough for me that fanboys are thinking they are always right to shoot when somebody dares to explain how bad some things areā¦
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ļøItās none of your business, you are wrong, you are not at all willing to discuss anything at the right level - why are you even here? To tell Suunto how wonderful their products are?
Canāt believe how some people tick ā¦
Sorry to intrude here but I disagree here with you and most of your posts.
When you went on your trip you knew beforehand how your watch works related to maps, didnāt you? So, instead of saying that the designers are very bad you could ask for some help and then open a request for improvements in this area.Most of your posts are only complaining, saying that all done is bad and even saying that is done on purpose. But here you are, still using Suunto. If you are so good designing things why you do not send your CV to Suunto?
I would like to see you as designer with limited time and resources. Do you know the limitations of the hardware or patents that Suunto faces with their products? For your comments I see that you never have worked in a company doing designs or products with a defined specs and budget.
IMHO you should chill out a little and enjoy the views in your trips.
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My view on the maps are I donāt mind the slow sync, it annoying but no real big deal.
The maps themselves are brilliant, when I lift my wrist they are clear and updated very rapidly and looking in the correct direction.I would just like when I have to down load a map it was clear what region I need. This could be done by putting the downloads on a āmapā to click. Or simply allowing a download all button as mentioned above.
I have came from Garmin, and although on paper the maps are better, things like names etc on the map and so much choice of mapping, in my experience the speed and smoothness of the Suunto maps are far more user friendly when you need them.
If only it was simpler to choose the regionsā¦ Owe and the contours coming back when you zoom out would be lovely
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@Audaxjoe I agree, everything is improvable and we should ask for this improvements, as features request. People should remember than one year ago Suunto didnāt have maps. The times that I have used the maps, the experience has been very good but I would like them to have some names to have references (like summit or town names) and contours lines in all zoom levels.
On the other hand, if you read here and there, there are some hints that the map experience will be improved quite a lot.
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Just an idea. Maybe go outside and explore and add the maps later since you forgot to?
