Ambit2 - spell it out for me...
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@mbga9pgf said in Ambit2 - spell it out for me...:
Sounds to me like Suunto are trying to cut overheads by not having to pay for user community activity data storage
Everything you see in Suunto App is still stored in the cloud. Storage is fairly cheap actually.
But, I can imagine, with the app caching everything, the processing cost on the server side should be lower, so the costs associated with hosting the cloud services should be lower, especially if we consider multiple updates per day of fitness data such as steps and calories.
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My understanding of that very flawed communication from Suunto is that MC web will just remain as a watch setup only website, rather than a move analysis frontend.
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@mbga9pgf said in Ambit2 - spell it out for me...:
Sounds to me like Suunto are trying to cut overheads by not having to pay for user community activity data storage.
As devices become more complex, they have more data to store per hour. I can’t imagine that maintaining that data for an indefinite period of time is something that suunto’s accounts department likes the sounds of (they will argue that’s what a paid subscription like Strava is for). It also smacks that Suunto don’t want to go to the expense of developing a multi-operating system fully featured desktop app, instead going for a more simple phone app.
Which is great if you deluded yourselves and think your customer base is amateur enthusiast, instead of prosumer.
Then Suunto should pay for our Strava subscription, since we paid a premium for their watches because it HAD a great web platform.
SHUT UP LEGS!
-Jens Voigt -
@fejker Thank you. It’s been a while and as the transition was initially planned near the end of summer, I’m surprised to see that there still is no clear timeline. I checked the list of compatible devices (see link below) and I’m quite surprised to see that it doesn’t list tablet devices. Only cellphones. Recent Apple cellphones apparently work, nearly all Android cellphones appear to have issues. Even more surprisingly Huawei cellphones are the most compatible of the lot even though (and correct me if I’m wrong) Huawei devices have been excluded from the Google Play store so probably can’t install new applications anyway. If I’d get some iOS or Android device, it needs to be cheap as it will work as a “transfer dongle” primarily. A new Apple phone goes for well over what I’ve paid for both watches together! The Ambit 3 series are currently on sale on the Suunto website, without disclaimer/provisions. So any interested athlete could pick one up and expect full functionality (as advertised) for at least two years. With Movescount still fully functional for Ambit and Spartan watches (and probably others too) and the app being so inconsistent, I doubt they’d drop Movescount in less than two years. They can’t ditch all consumers outside the subset that happens to own a compatible phone from Apple. Agreed most potential customers probably own either an iOS phone or an Android phone (I realize I’m the odd one out) but I suppose buyers expect full functionality and looking at the list below, chances are slim that a buyer happens to own one of the tested and fully compatible ones! It won’t make for a good first impression and it is not something they can afford in such a competitive market. So yeah, my expectations are that they’ll continue to support Movescount until two years after they quit selling watches initially designed for Movescount. This might even include the Spartan series, who knows. After all, isn’t the whole purpose of a four pole USB “charging cable” to also transfer data? If it were just for charging, you’d say two poles (hence a smaller connector on the watch) would be sufficient. We’ll see.
On a cooperative note, I did get a potentially Android compatible device recently. That is, I got a Pinebook Pro. It is a single board laptop computer with ARM core, able to run different linux flavors. This includes Android. It currently runs Manjaro linux from the on-board storage but the microSD slot is higher in the boot order so if I put Android 7 or 8 on the memory card, I can run that. We’ll see how it goes.
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@vinay said in Ambit2 - spell it out for me...:
I checked the list of compatible devices (see link below) and I’m quite surprised to see that it doesn’t list tablet devices
That’s a list of tested devices, it’s not quite the same as list of compatible devices. As of today, GSMArena lists 246(!) Android phones released just in 2020, no-one has resource to even pretend to check compatibility with every phone and tablet out there, each coming with number of firmware releases. You’ll probably be fine with nearly anything running Android 5 or newer, be it a tablet or phone. Though I’d rather go with some used yet popular model than some exotic piece.
What watch do you have? Asking, as for Ambit2 (as this is mostly A2 thread) the “transfer dongle” part doesn’t make much sense.
If you managed without a smartphone / tablet till now, there’s no need to get one just for “transfer dongle” for your (Ambit3 / Traverse?) watch. Just replace your current Moveslink2 installation with Suuntolink, create account though https://www.sports-tracker.com/ and configure Suuntolink with those credentials; pick a 3rd party service that lets you connect with Suunto App service without initiating connection from SA app (e.g Runalyze) and you should be all set, without ever seeing the Suunto App. And you’ll sync though cable & PC.
BTW, Movescount is not going down, it will not host Moves at some point, but whole Ambit-line will still be configured though probably-renamed-Movescount site.
Please go through
https://www.suunto.com/Content-pages/digital-service-transition/?setcountry=en
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https://www.suunto.com/Support/faq-articles/suuntolink/new-suuntolink-update/ -
Thanks a lot. I’ve had an Ambit 2S since 2013 or so and a Spartan with wrist HR over two years ago. My phone is a Nokia 800 Tough (running Kaios for an operating system) and even though it has the possibility to go on the internet, I merely use that to tether a laptop when I need that. I think my body and gear gets quite a beating. Luckily the Ambit watch is pretty tough and is in a much better shape than a Casio G-Shock watch I’ve been using for a couple of years! But yeah, I wouldn’t trust myself with a piece of glass for a phone ;).
Even though the possibility to receive notifications on a watch is nice (for when the kids are in school and I’m out riding mtb or bmx, good to know whether a received call is important or can be ignored), I usually don’t care about the connection to the phone. Basically if it continues to synchronize over the cable I’ll be more than happy :). I actually do have SuuntoLink om my computer and do use it for synchronizing the Spartan watch, but shut it down when it tries to synchronize the Ambit 2S and use Moveslink2 instead. Even though SuuntoLink claims that it did synchronize my moves, the Spartan moves appear in Movescount but the Ambit moves don’t so I thought it wasn’t working. Apparently it synchronizes them to the Suunto App then (which I am not using). The deal with the compatibility list was that if I would decide to invest in a used Android device (more and more devices and services seem to have moved to mobile platforms lately so it wouldn’t be for my Suunto devices exclusively) I would like to have some certainty that it is going to work. The compatibility list suggested that, if the tested sample would be representative, about 80% of the devices out there isn’t compatible.
But yeah, if I understand correctly I can continue to synchronize over cable using SuuntoLink, then analyze my data using SportsTracker. This sounds good. One thing I haven’t yet seen mention of, are the Suunto Apps for Ambit watches. The ones you can program yourself or the ones that have been programmed for you. I can program the Spartan for equal sized intervals but I can run a pyramid interval with the Ambit using one of the apps. If the new platform continues to allow for this functionality, I’d be 100% happy!
Either way, I’ll have to dig into those links you gave me. So thanks for responding and thanks for providing some links for further reading.
Cheers!
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@fejker said in Ambit2 - spell it out for me...:
@mbga9pgf said in Ambit2 - spell it out for me...:
Sounds to me like Suunto are trying to cut overheads by not having to pay for user community activity data storage.
As devices become more complex, they have more data to store per hour. I can’t imagine that maintaining that data for an indefinite period of time is something that suunto’s accounts department likes the sounds of (they will argue that’s what a paid subscription like Strava is for). It also smacks that Suunto don’t want to go to the expense of developing a multi-operating system fully featured desktop app, instead going for a more simple phone app.
Which is great if you deluded yourselves and think your customer base is amateur enthusiast, instead of prosumer.
Then Suunto should pay for our Strava subscription, since we paid a premium for their watches because it HAD a great web platform.
Coming back to this I hope this is clear now that it ain’t the case
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They are excited to sell you a new watch while there is nothing wrong with the Ambit2 you are using. And this is combined with the following FACTs:
My Ambit 2 has a very good battery life (compatible with outdoor backcountry activities) compared to the SHIT products Suunto 9,7,5
My Ambit2 is immune to getting all sort of SHIT notifications from my mobile phone which I prefer not to use when doing outdoor, backcountry type of activity
My Ambit2 navigation features are basic but work fine, and I love the weather functions.
My Ambit 2 uses a lot f customised user built apps that i do not seem to get anywhere in the SHIT Suunto 9,7,5
To me Suunto turned a corner… Suunto I came to know and use through my dive computers, very sturdy reliable dependable usable gear, I could trust my life and safety with.
Their outdoor/sports watches (up until the A3) were the same, indestructible reliable robust. "You were into Suunto because you were a sports minded outdoor enthusisast that wanted to be supported by gear that matched the activities
Now Suunto is nothing more than a lifestyle watch (just like fitbit) geared to the generation that wants to have gear, to obtain the image, of being sportive and outdoor minded, while lounging somewhere on a beach chair, looking a 100 times per hour at their watch to see what Whatsapp messages are coming in from their friends.
Suunto went from Be-Do-Have gear to Have-Do-Be gear, a big difference.I’m seriously thinking of switching to Garmin since they have reverse compatibility through a long line of products, hell even my first sync-able 16 year old Polar S710 I can still use with the IR sync dongle on my PC.
Suunto please come up with a better product strategy because I actually like you guys and I know for sure you will be dead in two years if you are going to try to compete with the Google/Samsung/Fitbit watches out there on the “lifestyle” segment.
Just make hard-core indestructible watches for the sports/outdoors men/women out here. (you can take hint from Coros there)
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Could you try using a spoken more kindly?
- Also, I don’t know how you can define the suunto 9 and 5 battery like this. Suunto 7 is a smartwatch, not comparable to ambit. Your ambit2 does not reach more than 30 hours at maximum gps precision like suunto 9 and does not have endurance mode to push you up to 120h. It does not even reach Suunto 5’s 25h.
Notifications can be turned off and the navigation features of suunto 9 and suunto 5 are fantastic.
There are no apps for suunto 5 and 9, but they have a lot of features that ambit doesn’t have. I have also an ambit3, i know what i’m saying. They are two different watches, from two different families, as the different name suggests.
When you refer to a lifestyle watch, you are perhaps referring to suunto 7, which is a smartwatch. As you can see, suunto 9 and 5, which have nothing to do with a smartwatch, are still on the list and meet everyone like me and you who want solidity, reliability and indestructible materials from the watch.
On the forum we had many people in love with their ambit who, once they switched to suunto 9, said they were enthusiastic. I advise you to try.
@TELE-HO @carloscarlata
- Also, I don’t know how you can define the suunto 9 and 5 battery like this. Suunto 7 is a smartwatch, not comparable to ambit. Your ambit2 does not reach more than 30 hours at maximum gps precision like suunto 9 and does not have endurance mode to push you up to 120h. It does not even reach Suunto 5’s 25h.
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@Saketo-Nemo and all you Ambit2 lovers
I am still using my Ambit2 and can pull data and push data to it using the PC based Suuntolink program as well as the smartphone based Suuntolink app.
There is no need for a new watch and I would be happy to share how one can get data to and from the Ambit2.
