Data Presentation Needs to be More Actionable
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I understand your need for messages and information, in any case completely deactivatable. Suunto shows the rest time required for each session and the current training load set. Do you really think that most of us need these messages of encouragement, warnings, cookies, pop-ups, etc.? In case we are pets or children? I personally am happy not to have a nanny in the form of a watch.
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@valdis830 too true! As people who are more than capable of training ourselves and understanding our own need for recovery, all of these things I’ve mentioned are just nice, not necessary. But, as someone who does run ultra distances, having data which I can use to supplement my training is super useful and if I’m going to pay $600/watch, I’d like a comparable software platform which backs up that cost.
I don’t want to be nanny’d by my watch, but I do want it to generate usable information when it is already taking in training metrics such as EPOC, PTE, etc… I’m not looking for something that tells me I need get up and move, but at minimum generating a realistic amount of recommended rest hours would be nice, if they’re going to bother collecting all the data in the first place.
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I hate to be against this but…
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I see a lot of Garmin forum posts where training data is not displayed accurately (lots of bugs)
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What are you going to do with the data??? IMHO anyone that is training for competition will NOT rely on a watch to tell them what to do! I cannot believe that an athlete would trust a watch manufacturer or completely trust a website (TrainingPeaks, that does a lot better job than a watch)
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Most people want to see the data to make themselves feel better…many are beginning training/fitness and need guidance where a watch would be fine. Well Suunto has the S3F for this purpose, maybe that should be expanded into an S-type watch that would be similar to the Spartan WHRBaro that sells now.
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Most of the athletes I train with and are real competitors do not use these features and in fact many have Suuntos and when I show them the route profile they say…wow, I need to learn how to do that!
So @evanfortune I disagree as do several here but we are not mainstream, perhaps, I know I am not. Suunto could IMHO clearly demarcate watches, which I think they do with the S9 but then provide a watch that maybe has some firmware that is better for multisport and a watch with training guidance. The have the S9 and the S3F but should have something in between.
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@valdis830 I am still 120hr till recovery, but feel fresh enough to train again, but I will wait because watch says so
sport watch says not to train when you can, sounds like sofa watch
What they could implement with sleep tracking and 24hr now is to detect when you are fully recovered, for example with good sleep for few days and low resting hr or even stress test during the day watch could reduce resting time significantly, that more or less would benefit, now recovery time is a bit useless. -
@evanfortune said in Data Presentation Needs to be More Actionable:
@valdis830 too true! As people who are more than capable of training ourselves and understanding our own need for recovery, all of these things I’ve mentioned are just nice, not necessary. But, as someone who does run ultra distances, having data which I can use to supplement my training is super useful and if I’m going to pay $600/watch, I’d like a comparable software platform which backs up that cost.
I don’t want to be nanny’d by my watch, but I do want it to generate usable information when it is already taking in training metrics such as EPOC, PTE, etc… I’m not looking for something that tells me I need get up and move, but at minimum generating a realistic amount of recommended rest hours would be nice, if they’re going to bother collecting all the data in the first place.
I think it is far too difficult to get recovery hours working well, especially for ultra running, which I also participate in. I have attempted to adjust my recovery time by having accurate HR information and when applicable METS information in Movescount. But I find that my recovery times are typically overestimated. If you read Jason Koop’s book, he believes RPE is the best measure for training. I tend to agree. PTE and EPOC have not been that useful for me, nor was FirstBeat.
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no clock in the world measures the regeneration time properly. Regeneration is far too individual. only blood values would make a good statement like urea and ck
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@Kurt68
In science fiction, there are blood sensors, may we request it now, or is it too early
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@Mff73
So I just want to say that the measurement of regeneration is only advertising and has no value in a watch. I know better than the clock if I am recovered 
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@Brad_Olwin Great points and I definitely agree. All the data collection is just icing on the cake, it doesn’t make the cake. Being in the medical field, I think it’s nice to have left right imbalance, vertical oscillation, etc… as that has helped me diagnose my own issues in the past.
S3 is a neat device and it takes advantage of Firstbeat’s adaptive training tech, and that’s more of a consumer (rather than a prosumer?) product for sure. The Spartan Trainer is a watch which could fill that gap between the S3 and S9 rather well if the watch bands were made to be customizable, though I’m sure they have something like that in the works already.
I suppose what I’m getting at is that if Suunto is trying to make a better, more useful app, it’s going to need to display trends, graphs, recommendations, training load, etc… If they are already bothering to gather data from our devices. Outside of offering further training insights, the app as of now is good as a diary (I’ve got that on the watch in the log), it can make and import routes (best feature), and I can share my moves with the 0 people who use the social aspect, because at the end of the day that’s just an embedded marketing tool.
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@Brad_Olwin For sure, recovery hours is a joke for myriad of reasons. Thanks for the book recommendation, it’ll be sure to check that one out!
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@evanfortune I am in the medical field too but not so medical. I do stem cell research at a university.
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@SlaSh It´s also limited to 120h assuming it is the maximum recovery time of any beating. If we perform intense training in 2 stages this number rises considerably. In my case they were 165h
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@valdis830
Looks like you might need to take the rest of the year off -
@evanfortune To strictly comply
