Help with burned calories during run

el2thek

@Timo-Kauppinen In that case, based on heart rate and weight the kcal seem plausible. Only thing that would explain the difference is accuracy of heart rate data. Perhaps there’s someone you can borrow a hrm from to check.

Zones have no influence on kcal.

Timothy1

@el2thek They don’t? Well then I don’t know what to do because I thought maybe they would. Does Peak Pro add BMR burn during run to end calories sum or is it purely burn that running causes?

I was considering hrm already but no I have to.

Thanks for your help!

isazi

@Timo-Kauppinen yes BMR calories are added to the active calories burned for Suunto watches.

el2thek

@Timo-Kauppinen Well they do as in lower intensity = lower heart rate (zone) = less energy required, and vice versa. And they do since energy expenditure varies from person to person, similar to the zones. That’s why some formulas take VO2max into consideration.

So in that light changing the zones may somewhat influence the kcal calculation. However, it should only fine tune it, not doubling/halving the kcal.

I probably should have worded is as, they don’t have a big influence (perhaps only if they are way off).

Bradleyd

Looking at the training summary, these specific numbers are prominent outliers that could be driving up the observed total KCal or are correlated with out-of-range or anomalous data:

42 hour recovery is massive for a 75 minute activity
134 TSS feels high for the training time
4.8 PTE is super high for a training with nominal ~6 min/km pace

15.1 km/hr average speed, with max 30.7 km/hr feels like the culprit

Are there any spikes in the running speed time series that are short duration and wouldn’t add up to significant distance, but could be counted as “burst efforts at warp speed”?

Brad_Olwin

@Timo-Kauppinen @zhang965 is very fast and quite fit. His max HR is 185 as well I think. Your zones are set way too low for a max of 185. My max is 181 and my Z3 min is 150. Unless you have very low fitness, which does not appear to be the case the zones are way off. Running an hour in Z4 should be very, very difficult. I could not run an hour in Z4, maybe 30 min or less.
Sports tracker does not set up my zones appropriately, they are way too low.

Timothy1

@Brad_Olwin

Timothy1

@Brad_Olwin Screenshot_20230116-161448~2.png

Hi Brad!

Sorry about my first message that got loose.

I ran today same run than before with new HR zones seen in this picture. Most of the time I was in Z3 and barely scratched Z4 for less than minute when running long upwards hill. Maybe these zones are better for me.

Timothy1

@Bradleyd I examined my charts more and noticed that there indeed was massive spike in running power.

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I probably caused that myself because I stopped for a minute to pause run and mess around with HR zones. When I continued power shot through the roof.

Today I ran too and there also was spike in running power but this time I didn’t do anything with my Peak Pro. What causes these?

Brad_Olwin

@Timo-Kauppinen Zone 3 should be hard, during that 49 minutes you should not be able to carry out a conversation. One sentence as you are breathing hard. If you can speak full sentences and talk you are in zone 2.

Timothy1

@Brad_Olwin I’m pretty much there with those zones. Got even test this when some old timer who I was passing commented to me it’s good to have anti-skid shoes and only response from me was something between laughter and gurgling sound.

Actually I’m starting to think maybe my old Garmin had wrong HR zones and showed wrong data. I found few burned calories based on heart rate and it’s indeed possible with my specs to burn 1100 calories during 70 min run.

Brad_Olwin

@Timo-Kauppinen You should be able to fine tune your zones as you run. If you have TrainingPeaks Premium there are additional ways to find your aerobic max. The other way is to use the Aerobic Decoupling Suunto Plus. Go on a flat run and gradually warm up to what you believe the top of Z2 should be. After 10 min the SuuntoPlus app will start and then run at a steady pace that you have warmed up to. If your HR decoupling is <5% (should be >2%) then that would be Z2 upper limit. You can set your Anaerobic threshold using the Suunto Plus app for that as well and that will set your Z4 top. Z3/4 cutoff should be in between those.