Problems with Resources and other
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@andré-faria
let’s assume Suunto is aware and let’s see if an improvement is coming.
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@andré-faria My point exactly. I did not state it works for everyone. Neither did I state it was working for the OP. However just because a feature does not work for one person or a few does not mean the hardware is broken. Could it be improved? Yes. But neither the firmware nor hardware are broken.
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@brad_olwin said in Problems with Resources and other:
There is nothing broken with the Suunto watch. I have a 9Peak and a Garmin Epix2. The body battery and Resources are very similar on both watches for me when I wear them both throughout an entire day and night. I find Resources are a bit more conservative for me than the Body Battery but they typically are not far off. Sleep detection with the Suunto seems better than the Garmin for me. I find highly unlikely that Body Battery can predict disease. In fact, the scientific articles on HRV measurements are quite conflicted on how useful these are for predicting performance. When you are sick but not before it will likely show up.
As far as OHR they work identically for me, I inserted a screen shot from both watches on OHR for a run below. OHR can be difficult to get to work properly, I typically have issues when exercising but never for all day use.
Here is OHR for both watches on a hard but short run.The problem is not only that Resources do not register stress so well. The problem is that workouts, charging and restarting the watch reset the readings either by 0% or by 50%.
A watch with this function can predict illness. The last case was in October 2021. I woke up in the morning and had to trekking 18 km. There was rain and wind, and Garmin showed that the Body Battery charge for the night was less than 30% and the resting pulse was 6-7 beats higher. I felt fine, but I didn’t take any chances and stayed in the camp. By lunchtime, the temperature rose, and in the end it turned out to be covid-19
But this was not the first time and not the only one case. It’s just that before that I was guided by my well-being, not by indications, and did intensive workouts, and then it turned out that it wasn’t worth it. That’s why the Resources function was important to me because its counterpart in Garmin really works.
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@andré-faria said in Problems with Resources and other:
Although I am all into helping and sharing feedback, I don’t think the user needs to be reminding all the time a company that something needs fixing. Both valid for Suunto, Garmin, whoever.
You are right, buying such a watch, I want to use it, and not convince the manufacturer to fix what they indicate as a working function.
If Suunto initially consider it unimportant, then there is no need to add it to the watch, and I will be able to decide whether I need a watch without this function or not.
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@brad_olwin I think I can say that hardware are broken )
This is a typical picture that I see every day
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@alexeg
I understand your frustration if your expectations are not fulfilled.
Please don’t get it wrong when I comment that a sports watch is not a medical device and for the foreseeable future might most likely not be.
Not only because of responsibilities, but also because the values are very depending on the watch setup (that might also change over time) and on the wearing style.your first screenshot looks like the watch couldn’t either detect any resources (how is the HR graph looking during that time?) or as if it was on the charger or at least not on your wrist.
The second screenshot looks like a drop during and after an activity before noon and a bad recovery detection also maybe because of a loose wearing style? -
@freeheeler I’m wearing the watch right ) They are tightened tightly and even the hair on the arm under watch is shaved. I have a lot of experience using sports watches.
On the first graph, the watch showed something (it doesn’t seem to be true), and then after charging it began to show 50%. It always happens this way - charging always resets the graph by 50%.
The second schedule drops to zero after a light workout. This does not always happen, workouts affects him randomly. Everything except Stretching. Starting a workout Stretching even for one second resets Resources to 0%.
Therefore, there is no difference what the rest pulse settings are and how accurate the measurements are, if they are reset every day by 50% or by 0%.
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@alexeg
yes, after charging it sets to 50%, I understand this as a compromise as the watch does not know what you did meanwhile.
any activity setting to 0% is a bit too much, I agree. I did some cycling before and my resources are at 36% after that.
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@alexeg Please post the HR and Activities for the same time periods. We should be able to help.
Mine for yesterday. I did not wear the watch at night. First drop was exercise with high HR. Second was family emergency, HR not high but bad stress.
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@alexeg said in Problems with Resources and other:
@freeheeler I’m wearing the watch right ) They are tightened tightly and even the hair on the arm under watch is shaved. I have a lot of experience using sports watches.
On the first graph, the watch showed something (it doesn’t seem to be true), and then after charging it began to show 50%. It always happens this way - charging always resets the graph by 50%.
The second schedule drops to zero after a light workout. This does not always happen, workouts affects him randomly. Everything except Stretching. Starting a workout Stretching even for one second resets Resources to 0%.
Therefore, there is no difference what the rest pulse settings are and how accurate the measurements are, if they are reset every day by 50% or by 0%.
The watch automatically reverts to 50% after a charge. For exercise your max and min are not set correctly and that is why resources are dropping. How have you determined max and min?
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@brad_olwin, the settings have nothing to do with it. If turning on the Stretching workout for one second resets Resources from 60% (for example) to 0%, then it is obvious that this is a bug, and not the settings incorrectly set.
And it’s the same with charging. Whether the Resources are at least 5%, at least 60% - I connected the wire for a second and the Resources shows 50% -
@alexeg said in Problems with Resources and other:
then it is obvious that this is a bug,
I guess you should contact support, if you’re already sure about it.
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@alexeg said in Problems with Resources and other:
@brad_olwin, the settings have nothing to do with it. If turning on the Stretching workout for one second resets Resources from 60% (for example) to 0%, then it is obvious that this is a bug, and not the settings incorrectly set.
And it’s the same with charging. Whether the Resources are at least 5%, at least 60% - I connected the wire for a second and the Resources shows 50%The settings have everything to do with Resources, that is why I asked.
And again, if you put the watch on the charger Resources will change to 50% until a bit of time on your wrist (a few minutes) where Resources will then acquire the value based on measurement and your settings. -
@brad_olwin I have nothing going on for a few minutes. If the Resources have dropped by 0%, then they will be around 0-5% for the rest of the day.
If the Resources are 0% in the evening, then by the morning they never show more than 60%. If I charged my watch before going to bed, it shows 50% and in the morning it shows 90%-92%
I set different HR settings and I managed to achieve similar readings to the truth, but because of the constant resetting of readings, this is of no use
I’ve been using Body Battery in Garmin for over two years and I’ve had no problems. I know how this function should work. It doesn’t work in Suunto.
It’s strange to think that in six months I couldn’t figure out how to use a function that I had previously used for more than two years.
Okay, I’ve already made conclusions for myself. On this forum I found information that other people have problems like me, they have been written about for a long time and they are not being fixed.
I’m really tired of having so many problems with this watch. The surest solution is to just buy Garmin and use what I need and what works.
What’s really cool about Suunto is the app. I will miss him, but I will definitely not miss the watch and it is unlikely that I will ever look towards other models again. So an experience with Polar in 2017 was enough for me to still not be interested in their products.
Thank you all for your answers and information!
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@alexeg resources to 0 after stretching/yoga or other easy workouts first thing in the morning it’s a known issue. If you search the forum you’ll find it’s like this on all Suunto watches. Apparently Firstbeat has not helped in fixing this, but it’s known and may be fixed in the future.
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@isazi that’s what I’m talking about. What difference does it make with the HR settings and how correctly the watch determines stress if the function can’t be used from these resets anyway.
Garmin has the same Firstbeat installed, but neither I nor my wife’s watch have ever had problems in all the years of use. Therefore, I think that this is not a problem in Firstbeat, but in Suunto. They probably think that it is not so important and we can live without it )
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@alexeg I know as a fact (if you sarch in the forum you’ll also read the story) that is an issue that together Suunto and Firstbeat (that is owned by Garmin) have tried to solve in the past. So far it has not been solved, probably because Suunto is a small company and has to set priorities, but also because they don’t own the IP of the resources, so that they can only modify that together with Firstbeat.
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@isazi understood, thanks for the information) Then it would be more honest not to add a non-working function to new watch models until it was possible to make it work on the old ones. As I wrote earlier, this is what convinced me to buy Suunto 9 Peak.
Moreover, if the function had been declared as similar but of its Suunto own design, then I would have studied in detail how it works and most likely would have found out about the problem even before buying the watch. But after seeing the information that this is Firstbeat, which I had previously used for a long time and was satisfied with it, I decided to buy the watch.
It 's unpleasant and it makes me think badly about the Suunto company…
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@isazi Firstbeat being part of Garmin now, do they provide support for their services to ex customers or they just work for Garmin now?
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All problems are solved )
