Suunto 7 sleep tracking
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@jamie-bg you might be right, I need to check some research data. But if you are reffering to statistical data, I would argue that this doesn’t always tell something about an individual. Hence, my original comment, that if long naps are something that you have your whole life and it doesn’t affect your quality of life, chances are - nothing’s wrong with you.
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@dmytro - not referring to statistical but empirical i.e. studied, tested and proven.
And just because one thinks it isn’t affecting your quality of life, doesn’t necessarily mean that it isn’t. If that is your standard you don’t know better.
My personal experience, my research into empirical studies and discussing it with sleep specialist doctors pretty much points out that there is an issue if you have to have long naps and you are under the age of 60. Usually points to an underlying health condition. Of course there is always the exception - but that is all they are.
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@jamie-bg I just did a quick research, which is highly probable to be subpar to yours, but most sources (like Harvard medicine) say that long naps may influence or can decrease sleep quality in the night. I’d say that it’s a pretty soft condition.
Well, empirical data is statistical. Empirical measurements are done if one doesn’t have a precise model, so instead one does a large number of experiments in hopes of finding some clues. And what I was meaning to say is even if a study takes 200 participants and all 200 of them find themselves at difficulty of falling asleep after a long nap, it doesn’t mean that your average Joe will experience the same thing. Since you have no underlying model, but just empirical data, you can only talk about likelihood of something happening. And talking from my own experience, it’s difficult to shake off sleepiness after a longer nap indeed, but if I succeed, I feel much better than after a short one and can stay productive longer and have no trouble going to sleep afterwards. -
I tried not setting the reminder and noticed that if I fall asleep on the couch the s7 is able to recognize it and start tracking. I was also surprised that even though I go to bed much later, that interruption doesn’t mess with the recording (I suppose it needs anyway a min amount of hours…)
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@g-q Does it track multiple sleep sessions during the day or just one and then combine the result?
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@zoran-z said in Suunto 7 sleep tracking:
Does it track multiple sleep sessions during the day
nope, just one and I suppose it can handle a short interruption to keep tracking consinstent
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@zoran-z I hope that with future updates, the developers can improve these features (and also fix the steps algorithm). Let’s face it, even a cheap band can measure power naps and more accurately count steps.
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@perti That’s exactly what I’m talking about. I’m not dissapointed but there are few things that can be fixed easy but nobody care.
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@perti said in Suunto 7 sleep tracking:
@zoran-z I hope that with future updates, the developers can improve these features (and also fix the steps algorithm). Let’s face it, even a cheap band can measure power naps and more accurately count steps.
Some other members have already explained why naps are nor tracked and why they are (usually) not a great idea to do. You say some cheap bands will track naps, but not many high end devices track naps, there must be a reason for this…?
And what problems are you having with the strep counting? I have found the S7 to be really accurate, in fact more so than any previous WearOS device or FitBit or Withings device I have owned.
Perfect? No, no step tracker ever will be, but it’s close enough for me. And the most important thing (in my opinion) the the consistency of the tracking. If you were to ignore the steps part of it and view the number as a ‘score’ for the day, all that really matters is that you achieve your target for the day and ideally beat the previous day. This can only be done if the device is consistent and for me the S7 has been spot on.Same with the sleep tracking, I find it very accurate and consistent. I’ve compared it to other WearOS devices, Fitbits, Withings, and some very expensive dedicated sleep trackers. And the only other device that is as good as the S7 was my old Fitbit. Nothing else came close.
Maybe you have a duff unit? Or some settings need tweaking?
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@zoran-z Technically your naps are tracked - check your resources - if you nap is helping your body resources you should see an uptick in resources.
Naps shouldn’t be included with sleep as it mucks up your percentage of sleep stage to overall sleep duration - deep should be 13-23% and REM should be 20-25% of overall sleep duration. Due to how sleep stages usually work, including naps would skew your ratios.
Purpose of naps is a quick recharge to body resources- hence the uptick in your resources…
Other thing that would concern me about cheap bands etc - is how much money, resources etc have been thrown at the optical HR sensor (which drives sleep tracking) and at the sleep tracking algorithm. When you consider that a home EEG device is approx 86% accurate to a medical sleep clinic for determining sleep stages, and most of very accurate (to a home EEG device) is around 68% accurate - you start to get an idea of how difficult it is to estimate sleep stages with any reliability. The good thing about first beat sleep tracking is how consistent it tends to be, and how it reacts appropriately to lifestyle changes that can impact sleep i.e. drink alcohol before bed and see what happens to your sleep tracking…
The other good side about it, is how these metrics can be integrated into fitness and training features i.e. body resource low - take it easy in todays activity - high then lets go for an intense session. -
@jamie-bg Thank you Jamie I didn’t think about watching change in body resources… Nice tip
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@jamie-bg unfortunatly Jamie body resources doesn’t change at all if i sleep even 2-3 hours in the afternoon, but thanks for the tip
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@zoran-z I am not sure if you can set your resting HR on the S7, but it’s crucial not to set it to the lowest HR at night but on the HR you have during daytime when you sit / rest doing nothing. Otherwise Resources won’t actually work correctly. Can only agree (used an S7): it’s by far one of the most accurate sleep tracking devices I used! If set correctly resources work very good and reflect resting and activity for me very well. The only bug they have is dropping tremendously while doing slow low impact workouts (even without HR turned OFF!) for no reason…
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@ChrisA ok little update. Few days ago I’ve slept just few hours overnight and it tracks sleep. Afternoon I slept for about 4 hours again and it tracks that sleep also. So I am wondering is it thing in the 2nd sleep in 24h period about how long it last? I think there is catch, you just need to sleep longer so it counts as a proper sleep that can be measured and added to your body resources as benefit.
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@Zoran-Z body resources can increase even if it is not tracked as sleep… I woke up, notified the watch that I woke up, but decided to sleep more… it tracked sleep until I confirmed I woke up, but resources increased even during the sleep after
