System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1
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Oh yeah…
- I think the off route notification should be about half as far as it is.
It seems it’s about 100m as the crow flies, but in real terms that can be quite far away.
Again, ideally a configurable…50m/100m/200metres…but I got a feeling that half the current distance would still filter out any bad GPS moments, but also notify early enough to prevent going too far wrong.
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@nigel-taylor-0 agree with you here , have done a few more runs and by the time I get notified, the 100m is like a bit too far stating the obvious for me.
For me I get 6% battery drain per hour following the route with a few waypoints. I run with phone though and using the Good GPS option.
Good to see that even with not running with phone and using Best option, that the battery drain is what you’ve stated. Still fairly decent battery life. And the standby drain overnight is pretty minimal so with a run or two, I’m still getting bang on about two days of Smartwatch usage.
Pretty happy myself with it all.
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@hughesy-and-annalise is battery drain different with a phone connected? I thought the Suunto app used the builtin chip regardless? In fact, I would have thought battery drain would be worse with a connected phone what with pushing notifications and such.
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@aleksander-h said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:
@hughesy-and-annalise is battery drain different with a phone connected? I thought the Suunto app used the builtin chip regardless? In fact, I would have thought battery drain would be worse with a connected phone what with pushing notifications and such.
Correct, S7 in Airplane mode if you are carrying a phone, you will improve S7 battery life.
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@aleksander-h not worse at all mate, as @Brad_Olwin said if you leave it in flight mode it will get slighter better battery life. Notifications i receive after my run though, which is strange, perhaps because the Suunto workout app is at the front of the watch running. Or i just don’t notice the notification because i’m dead from running haha.
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@nigel-taylor-0 I think if you were on a bike you would not want the waypoint closer as you would be moving much faster. Probably set at the best compromise for now.
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@brad_olwin said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:
@nigel-taylor-0 I think if you were on a bike you would not want the waypoint closer as you would be moving much faster. Probably set at the best compromise for now.
For going off-route? Yes that would make sense.
Then maybe a better solution would be to retain 100metres off course alerting for cycling activities and drop to 50metres (or potentially less) for running?
(the ‘pre POI alert’ should maybe be variable based on activity too…if running then getting a pre-alert about 30 seconds ahead of a POI is plenty of notice (if you’re using POI’s/Waypoints as reminders for direction changes) - whereas on a bike that might be quite late - if you have to consider changing lanes in traffic etc).
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@brad_olwin said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:
@aleksander-h said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:
@hughesy-and-annalise is battery drain different with a phone connected? I thought the Suunto app used the builtin chip regardless? In fact, I would have thought battery drain would be worse with a connected phone what with pushing notifications and such.
Correct, S7 in Airplane mode if you are carrying a phone, you will improve S7 battery life.
Is this significant?
ie - S7 in Airplane mode if you are NOT carrying a phone, will that make a difference??
I’ve not ran for more than hour since getting S7 as I was kind of in a downtime so its difficult to tell for sure - I don’t run with phone, and I’ve tried to do various combos of airplane mode / not airplane mode etc and I don’t really see any difference - its something like 10-12% per hour regardless (and same even if I have 10 to 15 Waypoint notifications inside that hour). I kind of expected there to be noticeable difference going Airplane.
(I’m on BEST mode - planning on a couple of experiments with GOOD this weekend).
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@hughesy-and-annalise - you didn’t notice. If connected to data, notifications since the latest update, now come in and show as preview (if that is your notification setting) and will then disappear to notification queue, and be available there.
You can action preview when it comes up.In 2 minds on this - as quite like that didn’t disturb at all other than a vibration…But probably the correct action.
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@nigel-taylor-0 You should notice a bit of a difference - its probably around an extra 3hrs of cotinous tracking activity. But yes across an hour session can be difficult to note as is around 1% which you will not always notice:
as could be timing (i.e. battery percentage ready to drop as launch app, so lose a percent straight away)
and especially if using maps etc, as their impact on battery is much higher.Much higher impact tends to be use between Best and Good setting on GPS.
Will also notice it much more if usually use Best GPS and connected to phone, and then move to Good GPS and GPS only mode (i.e. not connected to phone). -
@nigel-taylor-0 yep, if you are carrying phone flight mode turns off some more things in addition to the antennas that you keep on for Bluetooth, so what @Aleksander-H is saying is correct - this is how WearOS watches work.
as you said though, yeah switching to Good from Best should give a lot more battery life. Depends on how much accuracy you want I guess. Good works ok for me, but YMMV.
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@jamie-bg Guess you can’t please everyone, some folks will like that it doesn’t disturb them at all (visually with a preview) at a critical moment when they’re checking their wrist, others will feel the vibration and wonder who messaged them or whatnot. For me, i’d rather it show the notification preview
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@hughesy-and-annalise said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:
@jamie-bg Guess you can’t please everyone, some folks will like that it doesn’t disturb them at all (visually with a preview) at a critical moment when they’re checking their wrist, others will feel the vibration and wonder who messaged them or whatnot. For me, i’d rather it show the notification preview
I like being free of distractions when I am running, helps me avoid lightning and critters, so far several moose and many bears…no music, no notifications, just nature out there waiting to get me.
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@brad_olwin Sure, but can it help you avoid the wife who’s now suddenly messaging you incessantly, because you forgot to buy milk and bread on the way home from work earlier that day.
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@jamie-bg 7% for 1h15 tracking walking (touch to wake, AOD on, suunto app, GPS mode, fused tracking), actual track 55mins, was paused for 20min, outside whole time.
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@jamie-bg matches my 6% for my 1hr run i get with the same settings basically. Pretty good if you ask me.
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Created a route last night with quite a few waypoints - approx 15, so come quite close, some further apart.
apart from where the route crossed with a couple of waypoints (announced all of them out and back), the route navigation did an awesome job, and especially love how I my edited waypoint title now comes up. And while in some cases an advance notification of 100m can be far too early for running/walking, can see how good it may be for cycling (or faster sports).Battery - only checked the map once, but was interested to see how much the waypoint announcements cost me in terms of battery life (18 waypoints + 18 pre-announcements - I noticed every waypoint announcement woke the watch out of the coprocessor i.e. thicker data lines).
Went from around 5.3%/hr (19hrs continous battery tracking) to around 7% /hr (14hrs continous battery tracking) [Settings - suunto app, GPS only mode, Fused tracking]. Of course these are only estimates as noted battery percentage prior and post tracking - so if on the cusp of a battery percent change this could impact the numbers.
This suggests that a route with a high number of waypoints may consume more battery life, and is possibly something to consider - number of waypoints in relation to hours planning to track. -
@jamie-bg said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:
And while in some cases an advance notification of 100m can be far too early for running/walking, can see how good it may be for cycling (or faster sports).
Would be nice to have a sport-specific setting screen where one can adjust the aprox distance required to trigger an alert. If I’m hiking thick forrest trails I wouldn’t want to be walking 100m the wrong way before being prodded.
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@aleksander-h This is so obvious and must be so easy.
The 100metre (bearing in mind its as the crow flies, but could actually be a lot further if you take the wrong fork and gradually pull away from the route)…seems probably spot on for cycling.
50metres is probably about right in most circumstances for running.
and 25metres off course as crow flies would be good for walking.
Or IDEALLY, totally configurable.
