System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1
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@Aleksander-H I don’t believe the price drop statement to be true at all unless maybe your focusing more on WearOs devices which in general have failed to reach large sales numbers (particularly from any one WearOs watch). Examples like the Garmin 945 and 245 haven’t dropped in their MSRPs and they are older watches then the Suunto. Polar Vantage M and Ignite are older still and have the same MSRP as they did at launch. Sure sales pop up from time to time but the MSRP hasn’t drop on any of those watches.
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@brotzfrog10 I don’t think the Garmin or Polar watches are considered smart watches. Apple’s smart watches on the other hand, do not get huge price drops. But I guess that’s true about all Apple’s devices.
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@aeroild said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:
@brotzfrog10 I don’t think the Garmin or Polar watches are considered smart watches. Apple’s smart watches on the other hand, does not get huge price drops. But I guess that’s true about all Apple’s devices.
Depending on the definition, but the market seems to consider any watch that can run third-party apps as a smartwatch.
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@brotzfrog10 sorry but have to disagree here. As the other poster pointed out, the Garmin and other brands are fitness watches first and smartwatches second. As opposed to WearOS which is Smartwatch first, fitness watch second.
Galaxy Watches hold their value because like Samsung phones, they’re Samsung. True that WearOS watches don’t make a huge dent in sales, but they do get reduced heavily about 9-12 months into their life cycle.
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@Hughesy-and-Annalise the fossil gen 5 caryle (the only WearOs brand to make any kind of dent sales wise) running on the same architecture as the Suunto 7 I believe is still the same MSRP with having a similar release date
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@brotzfrog10 and has been on sale multiple times. Fossil Garrett Gen 5 which is the same internals with different casing to the Carlyle, was on sale last month for 225 AUD from Fossil Australia.
Diesel Fadelite is on sale for 215 AUD from JB hi-fi here in Australia at the moment. Puma watch too for same price. And in USA, their discounts for models go even more extreme.
I could go on and on and on mate. Sure not all of them are on sale at the same time, but within a year of release they’re heavily discounted.
I own six WearOS watches at the moment and have had probably 15 or so over the years. I keep an eye on sales, ok.
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@Hughesy-and-Annalise I too have seen the Fossil Gen 5 Caryle on sale, i.e. as low as $139, which is more than half price. I have also read about people picking it up at $119. The Wear OS Smartwatches group on Facebook is good to follow for those with a general interest in Wear OS smartwatches.
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@Hughesy-and-Annalise a sale and lowering the MSRP indefinitely are two different things. Hell just about every watch was on sale and in some cases steeply in the last month or so. Amazon had the Apple Watch series 6 for $60 off. I guess it must be selling poorly this year.
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@brotzfrog10 whether it’s on sale or MSRP doesn’t matter in the broad overall context. Prices do drop, and people either do their research and get something when it’s on sale, or they don’t and pay full retail. That’s all that matters. RRP, MSRP, SRP, whatever acronym doesn’t matter in the slightest.
If folks wait for a while after the initial release of a product , then they can get a good deal. Simple as that. End of conversation.
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@Hughesy-and-Annalise that’s fine we can end it. But in the sales world MSRP only drops for really two reasons. Sluggish sales and needing to move some units or a newer model is on its way on old models need to be cleared out. Either option doesn’t bode well for Suunto 7 users myself included. Sales however happen for all kinds of reasons.
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@brotzfrog10 The Suunto website shows the following for the Suunto 7:
Which to me looks more like a sale price than a permanent reduction.
Suunto have also recently launched the Graphite Suunto 7 which is still retailing for the £429 price.
This implies to me that sales are doing fine and at the very least are meeting Suunto’s targets, why else would you bring out a special edition at full price? If sales were bad then there would be SIGNIFICANT reductions.
In fact, the big reductions were on the Suunto 9 and I think we can all agree that has been a huge product for Suunto.I agree with the other posters on here that almost all tech, whether it be watch, phone, TV, console, camera, anything, is more likely than not within 12 months of release to go through sales or a permanent price drop.
Heck, since the launch of the S7 there has been Black Friday, Christmas Sales, and now January Sales (and that’s just in the UK). I have seen reductions on almost all Fossil watches, most Garmin watches, the Apple Watch, and in fact, most tech out there.Saying that a product is selling badly simply because they are putting it on sale is both inaccurate and indeed shows a significant amount of naivety of the subject. Unless your only goal is simply to bash Suunto, in which case I for one will simply disregard all of your posts from now on.
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We are in sales season, feel free to guess what you want to think, but is a classic almost in every web.
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@olymay that’s a good tip. It shows completely different here in the U.S. it’s just $399.00 as a regular price no sale or discount mentioned through suuntos site. Third party retailers like REI etc also have it listed at $399 regular price (this was after it opened here in the states at $499 regular price). Might be different marketing strategies depending on the market?
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@olymay I do however respectively disagree with you on the price drop opinion that items after a year drop in MSRP regularly. That doesn’t tend to hold true for well selling tech. Look at things like Polar H10 or OH1+ sensor or Garmin’s watches from 2019 even. Still the same MSRP. However it’s fine to disagree. Also I’ve got no issue with Suunto as a company. I think the 5 and 9 have been really excellent devices for the market they target and I love they are still supporting them through Suunto plus features. No brand save for maybe Apple updates three year old wearable tech with new features. Those owners have gotten really great bang for their buck. I’ve only been addressing my concerns with the Suunto 7. Not once in any other posting have I critiqued suuntos efforts with any other devices.
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@brotzfrog10 It’s entirely possible that are different strategies for different companies.
So what was the price at launch in the US? as $399 pretty close to the launch price here in the UK (once you have added in US sales tax etc). Most tech products sell at the same numbers, just with the symbol at the front changed.
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@brotzfrog10 You can’t compare a Suunto 7 to Polar or Garmin, they are simply not in the same category. The S7 is a WearOS device (albeit a WearOS device with outstanding Suunto fitness smarts inside it).
Like @Hughesy-and-Annalise I have had a number of WearOS devices and I have never paid full retail price for any of them, despite buying them all within 3 months of launch.
Even Apple run offers and sales of the kit not too long after launch.If you do insist on using Garmin and Polar as a comparison, again they run sales, offers, and promotions constantly.
In fact, as with almost everything in life, if you have a little patience and know where to look, you rarely need to pay full price for anything (unless you want it the instant it is launched).
And fair point, you have only gone after the S7, but you have gone after it with some zeal. One would almost think an S7 slept with your wife/husband!
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@olymay the launch price in the US was $499 but all US channels that I’ve come a crossed now have the list price at $399 with various sales occurring off that $399 price (being its the new base price).
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@olymay I have that zeal for it because I just feel like it’s such an incredible missed opportunity! I really enjoy the sunnto brand and the Suunto training app and had they just ported those options into the 7 I really feel like they would of had one of if not the best smart watch on the market. Something no one else to this point could have really competed with on training and smart watch features. It’s because of my zeal for the Suunto brand that I’m so disappointed in their handcuffing of the Suunto 7.
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@brotzfrog10 I feel like you and I both want the same thing, external sensor support. However I feel we have both about it in differing ways, with your posts often coming across as angry and aggressive.
I can honestly understand your frustrations, I really can, but if we as users want Suunto to listen to us, then getting all ranty on a forum is not going to work.
The more users that request this feature the more chance we have of Suunto adding it. Or maybe we don’t’ If they are set on this configuration then they are set on it. Maybe with the S7 V2?? Who knows. But we can still provide our feedback (in a non-ranty way).
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@olymay that’s a fair critique. I certainly want the feature and hopefully we are being heard. I think what made me get on a rant from the beginning was a couple of the moderators and people connected with Suunto saying this wasn’t a feature that the target market for the watch wanted. That to me that seems absolutely ridiculous and made me start thinking maybe Suunto doesn’t really know what to do with the 7. Had the response just been it’s certainly something we hear users want and are looking into as we enhance the user experience for 7 owners (just a nice PC answer) I wouldn’t have been nearly as irritated.
