System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1
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@brotzfrog10 said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:
@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I agree as I don’t think external sensors are ever coming to the 7. As you said Suunto has made the choice that it’s not their audience. I think it’s the wrong choice and I think their recent price drop for the watch signifies they don’t really know the audience and are just trying to move units. It’s a real shame because a wear os watch with the regular Suunto to app built in (sensor support, intervals, and even Suuntoplus) would make it the only legitimate smart watch plus performance watch on the market. DCRainmaker has been right in saying Suunto has just lost their way.
Suunto has done well in my opinion, and DCRainmaker’s review at the time was early on and said he doubted that the Suunto 7 would get firmware updates adding features. Which has not been the case. Also that there are a number of restrictions due to the Snapdragon Wear 3100 chip, but Suunto have done well to get access and work themselves on the co-processor to get some great GPS tracking time.
Sure, there are omissions and I’m not a hardcore fitness freak, but the fact they are updating every three months or so gives me great hope. The Snapdragon Wear 4100 chip by all accounts FINALLY solves the battery life issue of WearOS watches according to the reviews of the Ticwatch Pro 3 i’ve seen, so if Suunto get their hands on that, they could be onto a winner.
Credit where credit is due.
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@Hughesy-and-Annalise - actually I don’t think the 4100 chip does solve the battery issues.
TWP3 has a 25% larger capacity battery than S7 (and its previous iterations) and comparing to previous model is difficult as it only has the 2100 chip. Also bear in mind that a lot of data around battery life is quoted including LCD usage. Also it has more hardware features, so not sure of impact of them.
To me, and I think a lot of the fitness community, the bigger issue is continous tracking battery life (which is a major issue for proper smartwatches). Its been difficult to try and get continous tracking battery life using ghostracer/sportygo (i.e. no LCD screen usage). A couple has said they will, but have never provided data, so I suspect that it doesn’t come anywhere near the 20hrs as it does with the LCD screen - suspect closer to the norm i.e. 12hrs max (or possibly worse).So based on this, I am not sure it is the solution.
Maybe the solution is th 4100+, which has a low power coprocessor for sensor and tracking, and a LCD screen to give that extended battery life when in normal operation. -
@Jamie-BG respectfully i disagree. I’ve had Android Wear / WearOS watches that have 450/400/300maH batteries. on the lower end, they last 20 hours, all the way up to about 36 hours. true that TWP3 has a bigger battery yet again, so by rough calculations make it a two day watch by estimates. instead, reviews i’ve been seeing say 3 to 4.5 days.
considering the architecture has also moved from a 28nm to 12nm, then they’re doing something better with the cores. as 3100 is the same as the 2100, which is essentially the same 28nm as the Snapdragon 400 in the original Android Wear watches in 2014.
Paired with the co-processor being more efficient, good chance that continuous workout tracking battery life should be a lot better.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos thank you to you and your team for all the hard work you’ve done on the Suunto 7. I’d heard rumblings of a new smartwatch sports brand coming in 2020, and only managed to get my hands on a Suunto 7 now, as it’s gone on special (as do all WearOS watches 9-12 months in).
Anyways, i’ve gotten back into running and I’m impressed with the features the Suunto 7 and the solid quarterly firmware updates. New January update also works very well in showing my route and if i’m on-route or off-route, and also when the waypoints are approaching. I use the “Good” GPS setting, and currently draining 6% per hour which is pretty good to me.
I know other brands like Fossil have managed to bring sleep tracking, but I think in time with the Snapdragon Wear 4100, the battery life for the watch when it comes to notifications and general smartwatch usage, will finally be solved. Hoping that the Suunto 7 does well enough to get a successor.
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@Hughesy-and-Annalise you are most welcome
I personally think sleep tracking is a must
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@Hughesy-and-Annalise said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:
and only managed to get my hands on a Suunto 7 now, as it’s gone on special (as do all WearOS watches 9-12 months in).
I think this is important to be aware of. Some people seem to think the price drop somehow means that Suunto is either struggling to shift units or have lost interest. Just about all smart watches have big price drops after about 1 year.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos are you dropping hints about future feature updates haha
but on a serious note, future looks promising and this is honestly the first WearOS watch i’ve owned that doesn’t make me want to tear my heart out. and bodes well for getting back into shape too with my personal fitness.
will stay tuned
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@Aleksander-H Anyone think the watch will be discounted further before March 31? I have a 30% loyalty discount I’m thinking about using on one…I think it was priced even lower over the holidays but I’d not yet received the code…
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@Aleksander-H nailed it, as you said its pretty much the case with every smart watch. Suunto 7 will be a very big value proposition in even six months time.
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@fazel depends what your launch price was. it was launched here in Australia for $799AUD. last week was the first time it had a price drop, down to $390AUD from the official Suunto Store on Amazon Australia. had to get them to price match it in-store at JB Hi-Fi (a major electronics store chain here in Australia). So that’s a 50% drop.
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@Aleksander-H I don’t believe the price drop statement to be true at all unless maybe your focusing more on WearOs devices which in general have failed to reach large sales numbers (particularly from any one WearOs watch). Examples like the Garmin 945 and 245 haven’t dropped in their MSRPs and they are older watches then the Suunto. Polar Vantage M and Ignite are older still and have the same MSRP as they did at launch. Sure sales pop up from time to time but the MSRP hasn’t drop on any of those watches.
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@brotzfrog10 I don’t think the Garmin or Polar watches are considered smart watches. Apple’s smart watches on the other hand, do not get huge price drops. But I guess that’s true about all Apple’s devices.
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@aeroild said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:
@brotzfrog10 I don’t think the Garmin or Polar watches are considered smart watches. Apple’s smart watches on the other hand, does not get huge price drops. But I guess that’s true about all Apple’s devices.
Depending on the definition, but the market seems to consider any watch that can run third-party apps as a smartwatch.
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@brotzfrog10 sorry but have to disagree here. As the other poster pointed out, the Garmin and other brands are fitness watches first and smartwatches second. As opposed to WearOS which is Smartwatch first, fitness watch second.
Galaxy Watches hold their value because like Samsung phones, they’re Samsung. True that WearOS watches don’t make a huge dent in sales, but they do get reduced heavily about 9-12 months into their life cycle.
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@Hughesy-and-Annalise the fossil gen 5 caryle (the only WearOs brand to make any kind of dent sales wise) running on the same architecture as the Suunto 7 I believe is still the same MSRP with having a similar release date
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@brotzfrog10 and has been on sale multiple times. Fossil Garrett Gen 5 which is the same internals with different casing to the Carlyle, was on sale last month for 225 AUD from Fossil Australia.
Diesel Fadelite is on sale for 215 AUD from JB hi-fi here in Australia at the moment. Puma watch too for same price. And in USA, their discounts for models go even more extreme.
I could go on and on and on mate. Sure not all of them are on sale at the same time, but within a year of release they’re heavily discounted.
I own six WearOS watches at the moment and have had probably 15 or so over the years. I keep an eye on sales, ok.
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@Hughesy-and-Annalise I too have seen the Fossil Gen 5 Caryle on sale, i.e. as low as $139, which is more than half price. I have also read about people picking it up at $119. The Wear OS Smartwatches group on Facebook is good to follow for those with a general interest in Wear OS smartwatches.
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@Hughesy-and-Annalise a sale and lowering the MSRP indefinitely are two different things. Hell just about every watch was on sale and in some cases steeply in the last month or so. Amazon had the Apple Watch series 6 for $60 off. I guess it must be selling poorly this year.
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@brotzfrog10 whether it’s on sale or MSRP doesn’t matter in the broad overall context. Prices do drop, and people either do their research and get something when it’s on sale, or they don’t and pay full retail. That’s all that matters. RRP, MSRP, SRP, whatever acronym doesn’t matter in the slightest.
If folks wait for a while after the initial release of a product , then they can get a good deal. Simple as that. End of conversation.
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@Hughesy-and-Annalise that’s fine we can end it. But in the sales world MSRP only drops for really two reasons. Sluggish sales and needing to move some units or a newer model is on its way on old models need to be cleared out. Either option doesn’t bode well for Suunto 7 users myself included. Sales however happen for all kinds of reasons.
