Ambit Apps showdown!

halajos

I use two apps for an ‘increasing intensity’ interval, with HR targets for each sprint and recovery HR target. One of the apps has the logic of sprints/rests, showing in which phase I am, the other one handles the HR targets and beeps when I should enter the next phase.
I also have another app for scrolling real-time downhill ski statistics, measuring downhill distance (which the watch doesn’t support natively), average and max. speed, etc. per run and overall as well.

lohtse

@sebchastang said in Ambit Apps showdown!:

First of all, thank you @isazi for this dedicated topic .

[Please, be easy with my english as it is not my mother tongue]

Firstly WOW on the presentation

That have set the bar HIGH… Outstanding!!!

Secondly I will not even attempt to match that as I know I can’t…

Thirdly Your english is fine better than mine and I’m English lol

Finaly how did you create the watch face images?

sebchastang

@jsuarez @lohtse lol Thanks a lot for your answers!

Regarding the watch face image, I used some pics on the Internet and then edited them with Photoshop. I tried to make this picture as real as possible by using a similar font and adding the standard icons (battery level, data recording, and GPS signal strength). It is not perfect but I think it is enough to illustrate my point.

Prenj

@sebchastang This is brilliant! Amazing what users can achieve when you let them customize their watches. How sad it is that Suunto abandoned the apps in newer watches and even trying to get rid of them in Ambit3. I just don’t understand why…

sebchastang

@Prenj Thank you Prenj .
I think a lot of users develop and/or use Suunto apps and probably also elaborate complex programs to match their needs.
Suunto app zone is a very good way to customize our watches (ambit/traverse) and add features not supported natively.
I just voted for your topic few minutes ago. Hope we’ll be heard by Suunto

jsuarez

Could it be that Suunto didn’t fully grasp the full possibilities of the apps? That’s hard to believe, but there would go your beloved structured intervals that they currently seem to not be interested in implementing…

isazi

@jsuarez said in Ambit Apps showdown!:

Could it be that Suunto didn’t fully grasp the full possibilities of the apps? That’s hard to believe, but there would go your beloved structured intervals that they currently seem to not be interested in implementing…

Most likely, complexity has a large cost and they decided that to manage the complexity of third-party apps on their devices is too much of a hassle, especially if said apps are used by a minority of users.

Fenr1r

@isazi said in Ambit Apps showdown!:

Most likely, complexity has a large cost and they decided that to manage the complexity of third-party apps on their devices is too much of a hassle, especially if said apps are used by a minority of users.

That does make business sense. And, of course, money saved = faster delivery of new SA sleep-tracking screens. Important, brand-distinctive, outdoor adventure stuff.

Bulkan

@sebchastang Wow

sebchastang

@Bulkan Thanks!

By the way, for users (Ambit mainly I guess) interested in those apps, I have prepared a package including :

documentation
code + variables/values to declare in the app designer section (on movescount.com)

Anyway, back to the main point of this topic, If someone is still interested in helping us to keep on using those custom apps data on any other platform (Suunto app, QS, …) than movescount.com (to prepare the future once it will be decommissioned), I can help by providing information (SML file, or else).

Fenr1r

@sebchastang Very impressive and very generous.

And I thought people only used the apps to see how many beers they can have after the workout!
On my side I use the hr zones app, and by the time of ambit 2 a friend of mine converted the couch to 5k training into app (interval training ).
I think the beauty of the apps was having the possibility to make features you don’t have and maybe would not be implemented by the brand.

sebchastang

Hello,

I am back to you with a SML file from moveslink2 (C:\Users\xxxxxx\AppData\Roaming\Suunto\Moveslink2) :
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uie6CzZ53a-VAbZORFwjxpF8qr1XA7tx/view?usp=sharing

This file contains my custom apps values.
Please don’t care about those values, they are wrong since I forgot to set the parameter values in ALL the apps before my training session (I only set the right interval specs in the main app but not in the 3 others).
It is not a problem since the aim of this file is just to locate the values and eventually find a way to display them on other platforms if someone is interested in.

I didn’t find any file containing custom apps data in new suuntolink AppData folder nor in the Suunto app (Android), so I guess those data are not synced

I managed to create a graph with those custom values in Excel (By parsing the SML file imported through the Developer menu) and it is really nice, same graph than the one in movescount.com

The custom apps values are really simple to extract. Each app is declared at the beginning of the SML file :
<Apps>
<App>
<Name>IntervalRun</Name>
<AppId>13673860</AppId>
<Format>Integer</Format>
<Prefix>Run </Prefix>
<Logged>True</Logged>
<Displayed>True</Displayed>
<Running>True</Running>
</App>
<App>
<Name>IntervalSpeed</Name>
<AppId>13673864</AppId>
<Format>Float</Format>
<Postfix> k/h</Postfix>
<Prefix>Spd </Prefix>
<Logged>True</Logged>
<Displayed>True</Displayed>
<Running>True</Running>
</App>
<App>
<Name>IntervalCounterTi</Name>
<AppId>13673874</AppId>
<Format>Time</Format>
<Prefix>Warmup </Prefix>
<Logged>False</Logged>
<Displayed>True</Displayed>
<Running>True</Running>
</App>
<App>
<Name>IntervalSerie</Name>
<AppId>13673857</AppId>
<Format>Integer</Format>
<Prefix>Serie </Prefix>
<Logged>True</Logged>
<Displayed>True</Displayed>
<Running>True</Running>
</App>
</Apps>

Custom apps values are just logged like the others in each <sample> block :
<AppsData>
<AppData>
<AppNumber>4</AppNumber>
<Value>2</Value>
</AppData>
<AppData>
<AppNumber>2</AppNumber>
<Value>13.0</Value>
</AppData>
<AppData>
<AppNumber>1</AppNumber>
<Value>5</Value>
</AppData>
</AppsData>
<VerticalSpeed>0.029999999999999999</VerticalSpeed>
<EnergyConsumption>1109.502</EnergyConsumption>
<Temperature>291.84999999999997</Temperature>
<AbsPressure>100170</AbsPressure>
<SeaLevelPressure>100590.00000000001</SeaLevelPressure>
<Altitude>34</Altitude>
<Distance>15853</Distance>
<Speed>3.6000000000000001</Speed>
<Time>5368.1180000000004</Time>
<SampleType>periodic</SampleType>
<UTC>2020-10-20T18:11:29.110Z</UTC>

So, it doesn’t seem complicated to retrieve those data and display them in the graph of the Suunto mobile app.

Hope it helps. I still believe in a happy ending with Suunto apps and those Suunto apps handling

I was reading this post and there are listed some incredible apps:

Sunrise/Sunset
Vertical Speed in m/h
Average vertical speed (m/h) (30s)
Real-time hill incline %
ClimbRate
GPS quality (signal strength)
GPS State
Time to Waypoint
Heart rate in %
ORTHOSTATIC HR TEST

5min ascent rate (average of the last 5minutes ascent rate in meters per HOUR (!)…)
ascent rate (transforms the normal ascent rate from m/min to m/h)
hill grade live (shows how steep in percent you are climbing, for cycling)
swissgrid x/y (swiss coordinste system)
DH counter (for skiing, started using it for trials as we started skiing with the kids on the slopes, I went only backcountry until last year, will use this app more serious next season)
sun (+)/sun(-) hours until sunrise/sunset at your last gps signals location

Some of them I have and use, but the others were a nice surprise to me.
I didn’t use much the Ambit for navigation due to having the etrex, but since it is on warranty it was nice to see it can have:
ETA TO DESTINATION
Time to Waypoint

Hope in the future the S9B can have something like this apps, so much flexibility (through suunto plus?)

Brad_Olwin

@André-Faria said in Ambit Apps showdown!:

I was reading this post and there are listed some incredible apps:

Sunrise/Sunset

present in S9B

Vertical Speed in m/h

Present in S9B

Average vertical speed (m/h) (30s)

Real-time hill incline %
ClimbRate

The two above are in SuuntoPlus

GPS quality (signal strength)
GPS State
Time to Waypoint
Heart rate in %
ORTHOSTATIC HR TEST

5min ascent rate (average of the last 5minutes ascent rate in meters per HOUR (!)…)
ascent rate (transforms the normal ascent rate from m/min to m/h)

hill grade live (shows how steep in percent you are climbing, for cycling)

Present in SuuntoPlus

swissgrid x/y (swiss coordinste system)

DH counter (for skiing, started using it for trials as we started skiing with the kids on the slopes, I went only backcountry until last year, will use this app more serious next season)

Present in S9B

sun (+)/sun(-) hours until sunrise/sunset at your last gps signals location

Present in SuuntoPlus and on watch face

Some of them I have and use, but the others were a nice surprise to me.
I didn’t use much the Ambit for navigation due to having the etrex, but since it is on warranty it was nice to see it can have:

ETA TO DESTINATION

Already on S9B as well as ETE

Time to Waypoint

Hope in the future the S9B can have something like this apps, so much flexibility (through suunto plus?)

So of the ones you have listed here most are already in the S9B and hence not many are missing

freeheeler

@Brad_Olwin
most honest: I don’t miss any of my ambit apps

jsuarez

@Brad_Olwin When stating “present in SuuntoPlus”, that should be followed by “in SuuntoPlus compatible watches”, which is not all Suunto watches and not all that are currently being sold, some of which cost a hefty amount of $.

Brad_Olwin

@jsuarez The message from the OP on this particular post was referring to the S9B stating this Hope in the future the S9B can have something like this apps, so much flexibility (through suunto plus?), so I answered. Since this was directly addressing the S9B there was no need to qualify the SuuntoPlus statements.

sebchastang

Hi,

Back to my concern regarding new limitations following Suuntolink update which doesn’t allow to create or edit suunto apps anymore.

As mention in this topic, I use Suunto apps mainly for interval training and I created a fully configurable Suunto app to handle most interval session I use.
This Suunto app was private because I used to adjust variable values according to my interval session (you cannot edit a public Suunto app when someone else use it).

Now, as I cannot edit those variables, my app is useless.
So I reworked the interval app configuration in order to not rely on internal program variables, but get values from personal variables (available in watch directly or in Suuntolink watch settings).

Now, I use personal settings to define my interval session:

User Height for SERIE_COUNT: number of series
User Age for INTERVAL_COUNT: number of runs (intervals)
User Max HR for INTERVAL_FAST: Distance / Duration of Interval Run phase
User Rest HR for INTERVAL_SLOW: Distance / Duration of Interval Recovery phase
User Weight for INTERSERIE_DURATION: duration of recovery between 2 series
User Activity class for PHASE_UNIT: this variable is an important one as it define the unit used for interval

All explanations and details are in the following updated package (Suunto apps sources + documentation)

Feel free to contact me if you need more information.

So now, I am facing a last problem to be able to use this configuration. Those updated Suunto apps are now published as “public” but Suuntolink needs to be updated to include them in a next release.

@SuuntoTeam who visit this topic, please, (I promise this is my very last request regarding Suunto apps), could you please transmit this last request?
I would really appreciate and I thank you in advance.
Maybe a last refresh of available public suunto apps from movescount will be done soon to include latest published ones?

I really hope it will be possible so it could give a last chance to keep using my apps and use my watch for interval training.

I have spent a lot of hours to create those Suunto apps which allow Ambit/Traverse user to use Interval training and configure interval session according to their needs.
Suunto doesn’t provide any alternative to create / edit Suunto apps. I loose important data every time I have an interval session since log data are no more sync since Suuntolink replaced Movescount.
It would be a great satisfaction for me to still be able to use apps (even without logs).

Thanks again for help.

Edit 20211231: final update to improve variable computing (Due to complex computing, give more time for CPU to calculate interval specs)

isazi

@sebchastang not sure anything can be done, but maybe @pavel-samokha can ask this to Suunto.