When Ambit 3 Peak will transition to Suunto APP?


  • Bronze Member

    Yeah, I get what you are saying even if I don’t know about the details yet.


    I wrote quite a long post about your observations and figured that many of my writings are assumptions, and I deleted it all. Gotta wait and thoroughly try the stuff out, then I’ll see.
    Apart from my past experiences with many other platforms I couldn’t really further add something useful to the discussion.



  • @dkoor
    do you know QS? 👌



  • @dkoor It seems you are satisfied with a significantly reduced set of features that Ambit3 Peak offers with Suunto App. I guess you are fine with pre-configured sport modes and don’t need to change configuration of fields, don’t use navigation routes or points of interest, don’t use apps, workout planning, or structured workouts, and don’t ever need to use extended battery modes. Otherwise you would have noticed that Suunto App doesn’t support any of that with Ambit3 Peak.



  • @silentvoyager
    if he did not know yet it will be somehow a jump into ice-cold water… I hate that moments when you purchased something nice and you learn very soon that it is not lasting long or does not meet your expectations…
    but how should a future customer know, e. g. ambit3 vertical is still announced in Suunto webshop to have MC backsupport and ambit apps etc…
    https://www.suunto.com/Products/sports-watches/Suunto-Ambit3-Vertical/suunto-ambit3-vertical-lime-le/
    Suunto does not highlight news about the service transition when you go to the startpage.
    I see this critical for people that are new to Suunto and don’t know what they get.
    It might well be that somebody is aware and is happy with the purchase. Some people don’t even care about analysis etc…
    It is a bit unfair to advertise an ambit and mention the MC app but everyone involved knows the functionality will not be the same in 6 months from now…
    I could give a shit, I’ve got an S9B that I like and enjoy… but I feel very sorry for all ambit3-ers that are now left out in the rain…


  • Bronze Member

    I just hopped in to say that in spite of me using the sport watch for years, I have never been Suunto user before nor have any experience with Movescount app… therefore I really need some time to familiarize myself with the situation.
    So far I’ve realized that Ambit 3 functionality in the current MC app which apparently will be deleted from Android store at 18.12.2019. is much higher that the funcionality present in the Suunto app.

    Suunto app is apparently successor of Movescount and if the current situation persists, it will be really a huge blow to Ambiot owners, that much I see. With Suunto app you can only really synchronize your acivities, while with MC app you can also manipulate many things on Ambit watch, watch faces, what metrics will be shown et. Many things.

    Worth to mention that I couldn’t find how to do PoI’s or import Routes at all.
    I can’t really believe that Suunto plan to left us high and dry in the future.

    Also wanted to say that I really like the watch, no nonsense approach - practically with things that are only needed to track your activity. I’m kinda old school, I don’t use earphones etc. while I’m doing my activities, but sure, I like to analyze activities afterwards in many cases.



  • @dkoor
    you’ll be able to adjust sport modes thru cable with the evolving “successor” of MC. And you will be able to sync and check your activities to SA.
    You kind of need 2 services to make your watch work. It’s not top preferred in my opinion, but it works.
    My wife will do the same with her A3R. She does not see a reason yet to upgrade to a newer watch.


  • Silver Members

    @dkoor, welcome to the dark side, we have cookies! Also POIs and structured workouts :]
    Just make sure you get that MC app and store it somewhere safe before they’ll pull it.


  • Bronze Member

    @TELE-HO said in When Ambit 3 Peak will transition to Suunto APP?:

    @dkoor
    you’ll be able to adjust sport modes thru cable with the evolving “successor” of MC. And you will be able to sync and check your activities to SA.
    You kind of need 2 services to make your watch work. It’s not top preferred in my opinion, but it works.
    My wife will do the same with her A3R. She does not see a reason yet to upgrade to a newer watch.

    Thanks, that’s a very valuable information to me in this moment. I still struggle a bit to get it all work like I want to, but I think I’ll sort it all out in the next couple of days… so far I tried to use Movescount2 desktop PC application but couldn’t get it to work, so I paired with Android Movescount and Suunto (via bluetooth), both worked really well.
    I understand there is a new desktop PC Suunto application in the works, and we will get it sometimes in the near future, if I understand it correctly.

    @margusl said in When Ambit 3 Peak will transition to Suunto APP?:

    @dkoor, welcome to the dark side, we have cookies! Also POIs and structured workouts :]
    Just make sure you get that MC app and store it somewhere safe before they’ll pull it.

    Thanks!
    Yeah, I’ll be sure to store my android MC 🙂 .



  • @dkoor You can make changes on Movescount web, then sync with the Android Movescount app. That will work too. That’s what I do 99% of time. I never sync with the cable.



  • @silentvoyager
    I wonder if the connection from a MC app apk (?) backup will remain to work with the evolutionary MC web…?!


  • Platinum Member

    @TELE-HO said in When Ambit 3 Peak will transition to Suunto APP?:

    @silentvoyager
    I wonder if the connection from a MC app apk (?) backup will remain to work with the evolutionary MC web…?!

    https://forum.suunto.com/post/44539
    😉



  • I have migrated and come to a grinding halt. App does not sync or randomly syncs parts of old activities from a month or two ago. The App looks good but so far for me is style over substance as is bloody useless. Annoyingly I have just read that the transfer from Movescount to the App by linking is once only so I can’t go back to Movescount and then resync. Contacted support this morning and they went through the usual try this, try that but all failed so waiting for a level2 response in the next 48 hours. Yes my Ambit3 Peak is old but it just does exactly what I need it to do.


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    @Cookiemonster said in When Ambit 3 Peak will transition to Suunto APP?:

    App does not sync or randomly syncs parts of old activities from a month or two ago.

    Andoid? Did you get it pass though initial full sync? First sync from A3 can be painfully slow, it can take over an hour if watch logbook is full. And during first full sync the process seems to be quite easily interrupted - watch goes into standby, general power saving mode of the phone is too aggressive (on my Galaxy S9 I’ve had numerous anomalies even with medium power saving settings), power settings for the app are too restrictive (optimized battery usage and allowing background activity in Samsung terms), probably something else as well. During those first syncs I’ve just kept watch on wrist so it would not fall into standby and have tried to keep Suunto App active.

    I’d just start from the very beginning - turning off all power saving settings on phone; unpairing watch from the app, checking that it’s also gone from phone’s bluetooth device list; unpairing Mobile App from watch menu; and starting over with pairing and syncing. Well, a way to dramatically speed up that first sync is just to clear the watch logbook by forcing FW update though Moveslink2, but that of course might mean some data loss. Forcing FW update has has also cured some strange connectivity anomalies I’ve had in a past and as I’ve started having them again (for no apparent reason SA wants to pair with the watch again) , I might need to go through it myself as well.

    I also have a Movescount app installed on the same phone and while I personally haven’t noticed any Suunto App issues due that (SA background process has always kicked MC out of the way), it might be different for others.

    Once all previous logbook entries are transferred, syncing A3P with Suunto App is faster and more reliable than it was with Movescount app, at least in my experience and with my setup. While Suunto App doesn’t do much for A3 / Traverse users, syncing itself works quite well.


  • Bronze Member

    @silentvoyager said in When Ambit 3 Peak will transition to Suunto APP?:

    @dkoor You can make changes on Movescount web, then sync with the Android Movescount app. That will work too. That’s what I do 99% of time. I never sync with the cable.

    So far I have never synced with the cable. syncing worked good thru MovesCount android app.

    I had more time to look at the watch/internet Movescount service and I have to say that I’m pleasantly surprised, and more with all the possibilities. I can arrange myself a route, metrics, warnings and stuff each time I got for a new activity.
    And once fully familiarized with this process, it’ll go as easy as it gets.



  • @margusl thanks for your reply, I am on iOS and have tried everything including a hard reset of the Ambit3P to clear out all the old logs that were causing many issues but that made no difference. Awaiting support to get back to me after a long discussion with them this morning. I really want to get this sorted otherwise it will be goodbye Suunto (except for diving).



  • @Cookiemonster said in When Ambit 3 Peak will transition to Suunto APP?:

    @margusl thanks for your reply, I am on iOS and have tried everything including a hard reset of the Ambit3P to clear out all the old logs that were causing many issues but that made no difference. Awaiting support to get back to me after a long discussion with them this morning. I really want to get this sorted otherwise it will be goodbye Suunto (except for diving).

    Any updates ?



  • @LudovicTheRunner Yes, they could not get anything to work and said to send the watch in for repair. Speakimng to another Ambit3 user with iPhone 11 they have the same problem so it is clearly not the Ambit 3. I have decided to use my back-up phone (iPhone 😎 with teh Suunto App for syncing which works OK but truncates the routes on the map. Bizarrely though it transfers all the data to Strava that displays the route correctly so that has to be a Suunto App bug.



  • @Cookiemonster nice to find another DB paddler here!!
    And we also are new owners of A3P!
    Hope it will be a great experience…



  • So, in the end, was someone in this thread able to move to Suunto APP using his A3P with all the moves correctly synchronized ?


  • Silver Members

    @LudovicTheRunner , I went through the transfer about a week ago, wanted to get over with it before May as they seem to plan some Movescount data handling change:

    Moves that have been deleted in Movescount after May 2019 will be transferred to Suunto app and may still appear in the Diary. If this is the case, we kindly ask you to manually delete them in Suunto app.
    https://www.suunto.com/Support/faq-articles/movescount/how-do-i-transfer-my-move-history-from-suunto-movescount-to-suunto-app/

    I had synced Ambit3P to both MC & SA since Oct. 2018, maybe just missed some activities in MC, also had few deletes sometimes from both services, sometimes only from one. So the content wasn’t quite 1:1 and there was a great potential to double nearly everything I had done during 2019, but after transfer it turned out quite OK:

    2019 Movescount		439 moves		411:37 hours	4344    km
    2019 Sports-tracker	456 workouts		425    hours	4457    km
    2019 Suunto App		461 activities		425:23 hours	4457.49 km
    

    After transfer I did remove some activities through sports-tracker as I discovered that feed view in ST dashboard was basically a live status view of transfer progress and once the activities from overlapping time frame started to appear there, those were mostly some super-short test activities that I had once already deleted from SA.

    Though note that during the time I synced to both services, I made only few changes to those activities in MC and SA - so almost no tags, comments nor manual duration changes, this probably helped as well.

    It’s actually quite easy to get a list of activities from both Movescount and sports-tracker to track down those differences, but so far I haven’t really bothered with this. Diff between Suunto App and ST activity number comes probably from some kind of SA caching.

    Before transfer I disconnected all my 3rd party services to avoid duplicates there and reconnected once finished. And also exported & backed up all Movescount data (http://www.movescount.com/settings#export) ; also all summary data with all tags & notes that are not included in export (http://www.movescount.com/Move/MoveList , it’s json and needs some processing to be useful, also works only if you are logged in to Movescount )





  • Finally, after one week one synchronization to get all my moves from movescount to be inserted into Suunto link, I can now fully rely on Suunto link app.


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