Vertical 2 resources

runomatic

@PetrMisek Okay, I’m curious. I got a new Vertical 2 the day before yesterday, and at the moment, my resources aren’t decreasing particularly much. Let’s see how it goes at the weekend after the long run.

jannis

@runomatic As long as Suunto won’t update the resources, you won’t see a big difference. They messed up the algorithm completely.

GiPFELKiND

@jannis totally agree

jannis

@GiPFELKiND the newest bug regarding the resources. It shows 0% in the dashboard of the app. Only if you click on the widget, it shows you the (useless) number.

runomatic

@jannis I just rowed for 20 minutes. After that, my resources dropped noticeably.

jannis

@runomatic Yes, but when you relax now for like 1 or 2 hours, the resources will reach almost 100% again.

runomatic

@jannis No, i‘m still @ 60% now.

GiPFELKiND

@runomatic Picture please

GiPFELKiND

@jannis definitely at 100% again sorry suunto

runomatic

After four days, I can now say that the resources on my Vertical 2 are working. The behavior is similar to that of my Vertical 1.

GiPFELKiND

@runomatic great that its working for you. Its a bad experience here

jannis

@runomatic Well, as it has the same algorithm, yes, it should be the same, and that means it’s not very insightful. But if we look at the history of the resources, in the past Suunto used the algorithm from Firstbeat. It seems Firstbeat was bought by Garmin later. I think when Suunto released the Race 1 and Vertical 1, they used for short time still the same algorithm. But they announced that they will use their own algorithm soon. As far as I remember, it was quite similar to the old Firstbeat algorithm. But later, I think with the release of the Race S, they changed again the algorithm for whatever reasons and since then it’s broken. The Race 2 and Vertical 2 have now the same algorithm. It’s quite disappointing that so much time has passed, and Suunto still hasn’t solved this problem.

2b2bff

@jannis said in Vertical 2 resources:

It’s quite disappointing that so much time has passed, and Suunto still hasn’t solved this problem.

This seems to be a theme lately…

That said I found the Race S not too bad at resources. It’s not Garmin body battery, but can be quite good…

PetrMisek

@runomatic O.K., and what value do you have set for rest HR?

runomatic

@PetrMisek I’m at 65 there.

Little update: After the long run at the weekend, my resources dropped to 15. I didn’t sleep particularly well, so this morning they went up to 85. So it seems that i’m the lucky guy who don’t have any problems with that.

PetrMisek

@runomatic I have set there new value 3 days ago - 50, it my avg HR from last 7 days, but during the day my HR is higher and rersources are going up like when I am resting. I don’t know if the algorithm also uses HRV in this calculations.

2b2bff

@PetrMisek the consens in here is to set it about 10bpm higher than you actual resting HR…

OutdoorMan

@runomatic I can also confirm that resources work for me. They tend to be quite high, but go down according to what is happening during the day.

jannis

I really think people who are thrilled by the current resources have never used a watch with working resources. I tried my Garmin yesterday. I had a bad night before, and the resources went up only to 66% in the morning (Suunto would nevertheless show me almost 100%). I finished the day, of course, with 5%, that’s the minimum with Garmin. It helped me not to train in the late afternoon, as I was really tired. Suunto would drop during this day mostly from their something 99% to 70%, and would tell me I have still so many resources. When I relax in the evening, it would raise to something 95%. Why not train a bit? The next morning again 100%. How is such data helpful? Garmin’s body battery raises during the day virtually not at all, only during naps 2 or 3%. If you sit down and relax, it either stays the same or rises by 1 or 2%. Suunto can rise at the same time by 10, 20, or even 30 percent, especially if using a hilariously high heart rate.

Another problem with Suunto is that the resources are only in half-hour intervals. Why is that? So, let’s say you are very active for 14 minutes and sit down for the other 16 minutes, this half-hour would show you as inactive or recovering. Why not change it to 5 or 10 minutes intervals?

Let alone, why does the user have to play games with the heart rate of the resources? This has to be automated like Garmin or Amazfit does, it shouldn’t be the concern of the user. No, the current resources of Suunto right now are a joke and not helpful at all.

runomatic

@jannis That’s a pretty generalised view you’re posting about the Suunto. As I mentioned above, it works for me – just as accurately as it did with my Garmin Epix back then.
And I ask myself: what’s wrong with resources rising again during the day, even if I don’t take a nap? When I’m sitting relaxed on the sofa, it’s definitely restorative.