Navigation and pausing
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So… just got a Vertical 2 and went for a first run with navigation. Love the map, the speed but…coming from Garmin I am used to be able to pause the activity from ANY screen. However, this seems to be impossible with the Vertical 2.
Now I get that the number of buttons available is limited (perhaps this problem does not exist with Race 2 because it has the crown), but honestly, the buttons we have seem to be wasted.
Top button adjusts zoom… how often do you actually do it in activity? For me going to menu to enter zooming would be just fine (and would leave the top button for pausing)
Middle button just cycles between screens. Fine. But do we really need long press to go to the previous screen?
Lower button enters options… well.In my ideal world, I would use the top button to pause/resume, middle button short press to cycle between screen and long press to enter menu, lower button to adjust zoom. (which is most similar to the current state). Or use the top button to pause/resume and just put the zoom into the menu…
Do you think that we might get something like this in future updates, or suggest something like this to the devs?
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@ondrejm I prefer it the way it is now. SuuntoApp doesn’t allow you to cut or combine activities, and without the button lock (which is easy to forget), you can accidentally end an activity mid-activity without noticing. With a screen without the option to end an activity (e.g., on a map), this risk doesn’t exist.
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@ondrejm This behaviour has actually been modified a couple of FW releases ago. Pausing the activity from the map has been enabled for all devices with the digitial crown. Button-only devices must exit the map view in order to pause. And personally - I change the zoom very often during trail running. Of course I’d like to be able to pause as well, but I prefer the way it currently is set up.
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@maszop Well…this is another issue, but the solution that there are some screens which doesn’t have the pause button is not a solution in my eyes. Besides, it’s really only a pause…to end the activity, you would have to confirm to terminate it…
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@kriskus Understood, so a second question - do you ever use the long-press on the middle button to go to previous screen? Because this is actually slow and quirky to do in-activity that I find it way easier to actually cycle forward through the screens even if it was less clicks to go back…especially with the watch being as fast as it is! So a long press could bring up options as it does in watch mode, freeing up the lower button for an action (I would move the zoom there and leave pause button on the top one).
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@ondrejm I always use the long press of the middle button to go back
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@ondrejm I don’t believe Suunto will change this, as it did in the 9PP, where the option to end an activity wasn’t the default in the pause menu. Therefore, I’m indirectly satisfied with the current solution, which, due to its limitations, inadvertently solves another problem.
Currently, two accidental clicks on the same key will terminate the activity. The fact that two clicks are required doesn’t change anything in real-world use.
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@ondrejm I also use long press middle button every time. With route navigation on, I don’t like 4x forward from map to 1st data screen.
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@ondrejm
As others have said this changed a few firmware updates ago.
I use my 9PP for ultramarathon races and because the courses are unmarked, keep it on the breadcrumb/map screen. Because you also can’t pause the activity on the elevation profile screen, when I cross the finish line I need at least 3 button presses to pause it. If SuuntoPlus apps are also activated - you also can’t pause the watch on some of these - then it can be 5 presses to pause. This is ridiculous.
The problem, as you can see in the responses to your post, is everyone has different priorities and with only 3 buttons it’s not possible to please everyone. I don’t know why Suunto doesn’t go back to a 5 button layout for its new watches. -
@ondrejm I use the middle button to go back a fair bit, and also the top button to zoom. I like the current setup and wouldn’t want it changed. But I am used to it!
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I am going to open can of worms, but. There are actually no real reason to pause activities, watch will calculate rest time if one stands still anyway, while there is a real need to zoom in zoom out at least for hiking/trail running, so I like the solution.
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@aiv4r
I don’t particularly want to pause my watch during a run (but understand why others do). I do want to stop my watch to accurately record my time when I cross the finish line of a race, without needing to press a button 3-5 times. -
@MKPotts On most pages it is one press. If on map it is two. (Middle button long press) People seem to be looking for a problem!
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@ondrejm said in Navigation and pausing:
Top button adjusts zoom… how often do you actually do it in activity?
I adjust zoom very often during an activity. I like to see further ahead, but unfortunately trails are no longer visible or not visible well at higher zoom levels so I keep changing zoom levels frequently.
Middle button just cycles between screens. Fine. But do we really need long press to go to the previous screen?
Yep, I use long press almost as often as short press to go back and forth between screens. I got used to navigate screens in both directions when using Garmin watches and continue doing that when using Suunto.
What I’d really prefer is to have 5 buttons like other brands have and like Suunto used to have in the past with Ambit. Then we wouldn’t have this nonsense with pause or lap buttons not working as expected on some of watch screens.
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@Audaxjoe
It isn’t two if you’re on the map page and are following a route. You also have to skip past the elevation profile. That is three presses. If you have a SuuntoPlus active that doesn’t let you pause you also have to skip past that. I outlined this in my first post.
Needing multiple button presses to go back a screen on the 9PP when on the map page makes no difference to me. But I don’t consider that people who raise that are “looking for a problem”. -
@aiv4r Well, there for sure is one…when you go inside (say during ultramarathon at an aid station), the GPS will go crazy. And if you don’t pause your run at traffic lights for example, your pace will be off…certainly in any gpx export, etc…
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@sky-runner Ok, I get all that…as you say, for me it is mainly a matter of consistency. I got so used to not having to think what to do to pause an activity or do anything standard (such as going back) that it throws me off when it works somewhere and it doesn’t somewhere else…I guess that Race 2 would at least partially be a solution, but then I would lose a bit of battery life and the flashlight…
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@MKPotts On map page following a route it is one long press to take you back to the previous page then you can pause it.
On the V1 anyway. Not sure about other watches.
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Reading through all the opinions here I guess it is really a matter of personal preference…so the ultimate solution? Let the users customize the buttons…everywhere. Hmm, Suunto?
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@ondrejm regarding aid stations, gos does not go that crazy and forgeting to unpause is more of a concern at ultras in my opinion. Stopping watch at traffic lights is just crazy
in my opinion, that actually inflates your actual pace, while you never know what your pace would be if you would not get that minute of rest. One’s pace is what a pace is including stops.Suunto Race S (Titanium Canary)
Suunto Vertical (Titanium Solar Forest)
