So Difference between Race 2 and Vertical 2 = Flashlight and Digital Crown
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@Desdinova flashlight, buttons instead of crown, larger battery, design I believe
Watch: Suunto Vertical 2 Titanium Black
Blog: isazi's home
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@isazi Just seems a small amount of differences to warrant a different name. If MIP is truly dead, then this is really only a Race 2 without a crown and a flashlight really. If larger battery is a thing, it just sits above the Race 2 like the Race S sits below the Race.
Just seems a little odd there’s little product differentiation here.
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@Desdinova said in So Difference between Race 2 and Vertical 2 = Flashlight and Digital Crown:
Just seems a little odd there’s little product differentiation here.
Because it is cheapest for the manufacturer.
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I like Race 2 design more. I was thinking the crown doesn’t make sense, but I like it. I don’t like to use a touch screen on a watch; basically, I prefer not to use it at all, and scrolling with the crown is convenient.
Suunto Ambit 2 > Suunto 5 > Suunto Race 2
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@Desdinova Race Pro
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@Badmo than we need Race Pro Max and Race Air too
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I am really happy that it is (for me) disappointing and expensive. So I don’t need to buy a new watch.
If the Vertical 2 would have been a Vertical1 + Suunto Run features + better OHR + dive functions (like fenix) I could not resist… -
@VoiGAS haha, I thought the same but have just ordered the V2… I will have a good look at it against the V1. Like you say the difference doesn’t look great!
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@Audaxjoe Normally I react the same way - the GAS in my username stands for Gear Aquisition Syndrome
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I was with a RACE and I decided to shift to a VERTICAL 2 . Honestly I was a concerned by my choice because I liked a lot the crown … btu still I took the risk because I liked the idea of the red light also better lighting when white and also the batery and the bigger buttons when you do some winer sports …
Finally I DO NOT REGRET AT ALL my choice
The crowns is for sure a very good things but the way they designes the 3 buttons of the VERTICAL 2 … even I’m not using so much the touch screen
I’m not sayign that if the crowne was on the VERTICAL 2 I will nto have appreciated it … but it is not so mising me at the end -
@Mister-PYC One negative thing about Vertical compared to Race is that upper button is more likely to press accidentally and pause the ongoing activity.
In a short time of owning Vertical 2 I have already done that once.
Suunto: Ambit, Ambit 3 Peak, 9 Baro, Race S, Race Ti, Vertical 2 Ti
Garmin: Forerunner 210, Forerunner 610, Fenix 6X, Fenix 7X Ti -
@sky-runner you can lock buttons during an activity to avoid that.
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@sky-runner said in So Difference between Race 2 and Vertical 2 = Flashlight and Digital Crown:
@Mister-PYC One negative thing about Vertical compared to Race is that upper button is more likely to press accidentally and pause the ongoing activity.
In a short time of owning Vertical 2 I have already done that once.
Hello sky-runner, sthis what happening to me a lot of time with my 9 BARO, so I was used to lock the buttons during an exercise,
BUT there is a bad side effect when you lock the buttons, this lock also apply to the NAVIGATION map where it should not because these buttons are not risky (in the sense that it cannot pause or stop accidentally an exercice) instead it allow to zoom
I already suggested at the time of my RACE2 to let the zoom and scroll and eventually add a POI on teh NAVIGATION SCREEN even when teh buttons were locked -
@sky-runner I use the map screen to avoid accidental pauses or ending the activity.
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@maszop Yes, that’s what I realized as well - either map of climb guidance.
But I really wish there was a “race lock” mode that disables ability to accidentally pause. In fact, I wouldn’t mind the pause as long as it acted as a rest timer - with all metrics still recording and elapsed time continuing.
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@sky-runner Exactly – locking all buttons is often overkill. What’s missing is a less drastic option to prevent stopping or pausing the activity, but still let you use the watch normally during it – some partially locked mode.
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@maszop said in So Difference between Race 2 and Vertical 2 = Flashlight and Digital Crown:
@sky-runner Exactly – locking all buttons is often overkill. What’s missing is a less drastic option to prevent stopping or pausing the activity, but still let you use the watch normally during it – some partially locked mode.
This is actually a big deal for me. Accidental pausing during a race had happened to me several times, and it always stresses me out. There are two issues with that. One is that I obviously lose some stats if I don’t notice the paused state right away, with potentially minutes missing. The elapsed time gets out of sync with the race time too.
But another less obvious issue is that even a single pause in activity messes up Strava because that disables Strava’s moving time algorithm, and Strava no longer eliminates stopped time, which I usually rely on. The reason I use Strava’s algorithm rather than built-in auto pause is that Strava’s algorithm works way better on steep mountain terrain. So I normally never pause the watch and then let Strava remove all the stops.
If there was a software option to let me configure whether the lock feature locks everything vs just pausing and stopping, I’d use the latter 100% of time.
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@maszop said in So Difference between Race 2 and Vertical 2 = Flashlight and Digital Crown:
@sky-runner Exactly – locking all buttons is often overkill. What’s missing is a less drastic option to prevent stopping or pausing the activity, but still let you use the watch normally during it – some partially locked mode.
FULLY AGREED !!!
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AU$200 for an LED light and a slightly bigger battery is too much for me.
I’m hoping they introduce the LED to the Race line at some point, just like the Garmin have with the 970 and Venue 4.
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Have to say, what you don’t know you cannot miss. But last year, in a very dark hotelroom, the screenflashlight of my race s was sufficient for my wife to find something on the table while I could stay in bed. So, for now, I’m in “what’s all the fuss about” mode.
The digital crown of my race s is complex. Just using it to scroll up or down through menus or items is hideous. The 5 button layout of my previous garmin was better, but with touchscreen I don’t use the buttons very often. But to zoom in and out in a map it’s great. Again with a but. I was used to zoom on the garmin and it was horrible. Complex and buggy as hell. So is the crown just better that worst case garmin or would a 5 button Suunto implementation beat the digital crown? Might. perhaps. Not unlikely.
Have to say, the race s provides the features I want in the smallest possible case, so the vertical 2 wouldn’t be competition for my race s (for me). So 5 buttons or a digital crown wasn’t a consideration. Have to say, 5 buttons shouts a bit more outdoorsy and a digital crown a bit more watch like.
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