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    • Jouko from Suunto
      Jouko from Suunto @jsuarez last edited by

      @jsuarez I have unfortunately correct? / make more clear? some details. I’ve been a developer, but not in Suunto, so a long time ago. Currently I’m working mainly with the apps. Mainly with Android releasing and Field testing areas. I have no visibility to what web shall we have if we will have one, I’m pretty sure we need to have one to support certain features properly. Now it is all up to the discussion and feedback here that needs to be understand by business doing the decisions about the future. I hope we will have what is needed. So my post should not be read as promise of a similar web front as Movescount is now and really carefully read like if there will be one it will be also different from Sports-tracker. To my personal understanding. I do not run the decisions, but I try to influence them by giving the feedback from this forum and some other touch points to users.

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        jsuarez Bronze Member @Jouko from Suunto last edited by jsuarez

        @Jouko-from-Suunto
        Jouko, your message was perfectly fine and I am not reading it as a promise either. You made it quite clear that it was your personal opinion, not that of Suunto’s official position. ☺

        When I said the communication was not good, I was referring to yesterday’s Suunto official notice. My impression is that it was half-baked and much of the trouble would have been spared if proper analysis was carried out to detect the problems users would come up with, think if that could be solved before MC web is closed and make a full, proper communication in a few weeks/months time. After all, announcing the closure of MC in 15 months is almost equal as 18 months.

        If you are going to give your feedback internally, it might be worth taking a look at what pieces of information and functionalities MC web has that are not present in the current offerings of SApp or STracker (or included in the internal roadmap). For example, I could name the following:

        • A personal bests section (this year/all time where you are even given a % standing based on moves of other people of your age group).
        • A personal yearly progress section where you can filter by length and heart rate (this MC web feature is outstanding, in my opinion).
        • Being able to see other values the Suunto gear gathers or MC web is capable of calculating. E.g.: EPOC, VO2max calculation, breathings per minute, Heart Rate Variability, etc. With regard to those values calculated by MC, it “should” be easy to take the function from MC web’s code and re-use it in Suunto App backend, I guess…
        • And obvioulsy all the accesibility using a big screen, keyboard and mouse a web frontend brings.

        Edit reason: typo

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        • valdis830
          valdis830 @Jouko from Suunto last edited by

          @Jouko-from-Suunto Thank you! It is encouraging to know that you, @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos and other staff are fighting for a better future for this project. We will win all!

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            A Former User @Jouko from Suunto last edited by

            @Jouko-from-Suunto said in Open source Movescount web:

            but I know it it pretty big number

            Jouko, Suunto is selling 500+Eur watches and people who buy this type of premium device expect a premium software environment same or even better as Garmin or Polar has to offer (both have web front end and mobile), reading your personal opinion I really hope that this is not internal thoughts in the Suunto realm that an a AWS cloud service is too expensive for our just sold 500+ watch let’s cut and make it cheaper with a mobile only version due cost savings of the servers. If Suunto is serious in playing a significant role in the device market they need to compete with the top not with the bottom cost cutters as there are plenty. Yesterday Suunto announced they ramp down movescount hence cutting service level and offering…

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            • Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
              Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Guest last edited by

              @Tobias-F Web based apps, or let me say it like so, a web interface does not / should not put extra load to servers. On the contrary (as a web dev) mobile apps can add extra load.

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                A Former User @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos last edited by

                @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos was referring to the line that an AWS cloud is costing a hell of money …

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                • Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                  Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Guest last edited by

                  @Tobias-F yeah hey I am not arguing here. I just post what I know in regards to webdev. Just saying

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                  • Jouko from Suunto
                    Jouko from Suunto @Guest last edited by

                    @Tobias-F valid point. As a customer I totally understand it. I’m sorry I can’t open up more about the cost structure, since I’m already in a pretty thin ice here since I do not have all the numbers and I may be even restricted to give them by stock rules since Amer is still a public company, even Mascot Bidco is likely to buy it in few months. I think the best option here is to vote on the topics and give the feedback here. I’m sure it will be taken in considerations since this whole web-topic is sensitive to users as we already learned when Polar announced to remove one older service and they had to rollback the decision. Here we need to find the ways to give Suunto users a good service also outside Movescount. I’m sure our users want to help us doing that. We’ll see if ~2 years is enough or do we need longer time.

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                      tcdev Bronze Member last edited by

                      Personally, I don’t use Movescount for anything other than configuring my watch and uploading to Strava.

                      What I would expect is that Suunto at least do the bare minimum to avoid Ambit etc owners from having to throw their rather expensive and not very old watches in the rubbish bin. I would not have bought my Ambit 2 if I’d known it was going to be useless in 5 years. And I would challenge Suunto to prominently advertise that any of their watches currently being sold could be useless in 5 years time. See how many you sell then… yeah, I didn’t think so.

                      I expect that Suunto continue to provide functionality for these watches to be configured and upload move data to 3rd party applications like Strava etc, even if the interface to your “new digital services” isn’t viable. Either that, or offer a free replacement for the watch that you have decided is no longer functional.

                      Given that your announcement is only 24 hrs old, I predict you’re going to get a lot more outraged customers. I, for one, am going to make a lot more noise about it.

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                        pekezenio @tcdev last edited by

                        @tcdev This post totally reflect my opinion. The bare minimum is to allow owners to further use their Ambit and Ambit2 watches. What is Suunto official position about environmental sustainability? It does not matter and we have to throw our watches in the rubbish bin?

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                          A Former User @Jouko from Suunto last edited by

                          @Jouko-from-Suunto said in Open source Movescount web:

                          We’ll see if ~2 years is enough or do we need longer time…

                          hear you … not sure if Suunto still has 1-2 years for this, world around Suunto is not sleeping or waiting until Suunto get’s the things straight

                          if Garmin has a BI team and is smart enough to listen to this whole customer complains after Jan.15 about shutting down an essential service without a proper replacement they probably would considering to buy out whole movescount.com from Amer and get 2Mill user for less as 5US$ per account and keep movescount running and offer them step by step over time replacement hardware, Adidas bought Runtastic for 230M$ for 70M users (3.3US$ per user), Under Armour paid for Endomondo’s 20million users 85M$ (4,25US$ per user) and in 2015 MyFitnessPal 475M$ for 80Mill users (5.9US$ per user), a movescount user is probably more worth to Garmin as a typical Suunto user they tend to own more as one device (even SA support only one single device today unfortunately -> bad move by design) and tend to buy higher end and premium devices with higher gross margins -> chance of a lifetime for Garmin…

                          if you want to help would appreciate if you can bring one single message back to Suunto internally and make them heard:

                          NEVER FIGHT AGAINST YOUR OWN PAYING CUSTOMER!

                          ps: for all the picky moderators here who come afterwards, I’m not at all affiliated with Garmin or else, personal opinion and messages here expressed only

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                          • Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Guest last edited by

                            @Tobias-F hehe. The moderators here are also customers and not affiliated with Suunto, just saying. We had a Who wants to become mod poll some time ago

                            https://forum.suunto.com/topic/756/the-call-for-moderators-mods

                            Maybe I can be picky, but we have never silenced, banned or did anything regarding to freedom of speech. I am very concerned about freedom of speech so never worry that anything here will be muted, unless that is a bot, spam, or a tester breaking his NDA with Suunto.

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                            • Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                              Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Guest last edited by

                              @Tobias-F and since you are very affiliated and concerned here perhaps next time we have mod’s opening you can join. I d be glad to vote for you

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                              • valdis830
                                valdis830 @Guest last edited by

                                @Tobias-F said in Open source Movescount web:

                                hear you … not sure if Suunto still has 1-2 years for this, world around Suunto is not sleeping or waiting until Suunto get’s the things straight
                                if Garmin has a BI team and is smart enough to listen to this whole customer complains after Jan.15 about shutting down an essential service without a proper replacement they probably would considering to buy out whole movescount.com from Amer and get 2Mill user for less as 5US$ per account and keep movescount running and offer them step by step over time replacement hardware, Adidas bought Runtastic for 230M$ for 70M users (3.3US$ per user), Under Armour paid for Endomondo’s 20million users 85M$ (4,25US$ per user) and in 2015 MyFitnessPal 475M$ for 80Mill users (5.9US$ per user), a movescount user is probably more worth to Garmin as a typical Suunto user they tend to own more as one device (even SA support only one single device today unfortunately -> bad move by design) and tend to buy higher end and premium devices with higher gross margins -> chance of a lifetime for Garmin…
                                if you want to help would appreciate if you can bring one single message back to Suunto internally and make them heard:
                                NEVER FIGHT AGAINST YOUR OWN PAYING CUSTOMER!
                                ps: for all the picky moderators here who come afterwards, I’m not at all affiliated with Garmin or else, personal opinion and messages here expressed only

                                In global terms I find a lot of sense in this. Being an Ambit user with this Suunto ¨move¨ I would be very hesitant to buy a Suunto again. It´s no longer a question of device quality or accuracy. If it were not for excellent quality of Suunto devices, it would cease to exist a couple of years ago due to financial problems. 2 months ago I try to sell my SSU for 1/4 of market price paid 1.5 years ago and no success. I sold my Ambit 2 in less than 2 weeks. The sports watch market expands rapidly and is no longer a matter of 2 and increasingly difficult to survive. Amazfit Group of Facebook has almost 34,000 users that is 4 times more than all Suunto groups together. I guess Suunto is up to date with this and I’m still with them 😉

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                                  mfischer01 last edited by

                                  I would suggest that Suunto at least make the USB Protocol used for communication between PC and the Ambit2 watch open source.
                                  That way I could write my own software to maintain routes, settings, etc. for my Ambit2 (e.g. participate in the openambit project and extend its functionality).
                                  Reverse engineering the protocol using USB pcap dumps is a pita.

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                                    tcdev Bronze Member @mfischer01 last edited by

                                    @mfischer01 See openambit

                                    One issue that was mentioned as being potentially problematic is the fact that activities “manually uploaded” to Strava aren’t (always) eligible for challenges, contests etc. So the issue extends beyond simply getting the files off the Ambit2 - for which I believe openambit already provides a solution - but rather getting them into Stava and other services via the API so they’re not considered as being manually uploaded.

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                                      mfischer01 @tcdev last edited by

                                      @tcdev Did you read my post? I mentioned openambit…

                                      It shouldn’t be a problem to extend openambit so that it uploads directly to strava or others if there is a documented api.

                                      The problem is that openambit only READS data from the device. I cannot be used to push routes, settings, etc. to the watch. Therefore the USB protocol should be published open source so that we can add that functionality to openambit.

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                                        margusl Gold Members @mfischer01 last edited by margusl

                                        @mfischer01 said in Open source Movescount web:

                                        The problem is that openambit only READS data from the device. I cannot be used to push routes, settings, etc. to the watch. Therefore the USB protocol should be published open source so that we can add that functionality to openambit.

                                        This is not quite true. There hasn’t been tagged releases for a long time, so you might want to check out master & pull requests on github. Though it doesn’t change the fact that there might be few holes in openambit implementation. All intellectual property donations, be it source code or official documentation, would be highly appreciated.

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                                          tcdev Bronze Member @mfischer01 last edited by tcdev

                                          @mfischer01 Duly noted. This forum isn’t the best for keeping track of threads, sorry.

                                          DCRainmaker seems somewhat optimistic that all hope is not lost for the Ambit2 (and presumably other devices) and that Suunto will eventually come to the party. I have my fingers crossed.

                                          I’d certainly be interested in being part of the effort to RE/implement an opensource solution that extends openambit if something gathers momentum. As an electronics design and embedded s/w engineer with experience in reverse-engineering and USB protocols/programming I’m not entirely ignorant of what might be required.

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                                            shaun @Jouko from Suunto last edited by

                                            @Jouko-from-Suunto
                                            The move is a joke - I have duplicates in my system, sync is VERY slow. MC connected well in the past with Sports_Tracker and the Suunto skin on Sorts-Tracker is just a skin but with less function. My view is open source the data down load and keep to making watches and free us from the OEM chain.
                                            Suunto cannot write software.

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                                              A Former User @Jouko from Suunto last edited by

                                              @Jouko-from-Suunto said in Open source Movescount web:

                                              Even if the code would be good enough to be open sourced (not going to give my opinion if it is pretty or not) it would be really, really difficult to get the cost of the required servers covered by open community

                                              Suunto still needs servers to host Suunto Cloud API, plus whatever private backend API that is currently used by Suunto App. And there is already a web server to show a view of activity as a web page (when sharing an activity from the app a link to that activity is generated and can be viewed in a web browser). Movescount could be moved on the same servers and changed to use the same backend, so the server cost of going through Movescount wouldn’t be much higher vs. Suunto App clients going through the cloud API.

                                              The only difference I can see that the app can cache some data locally and reduce load on the server, but modern web sites can do some caching on client machines too. Look at Elevate (Stravistix) extension for Strava - it caches a lot of data which allows it to be very fast with multi-year data.

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                                                ianshowalter @Guest last edited by ianshowalter

                                                @silentvoyager There’s a trick to bringing up that Suunto app web page of an activity that doesn’t involve sharing an activity in the app.
                                                In your desktop web browser, log into sports-tracker.com. Then navigate to any activity of yours that you want to see the Suunto app web page for. Once you’re on the SportsTracker web page for your activity, replace “www.sports-tracker.com” in the address bar with “app.suunto.com” and hit enter. And boom, there it is.
                                                SportsTracker and Suunto app web pages use exactly the same URL naming system for every workout: /workout/username/gobbledygook. They’re identical, and you just have to change the start of the URL.

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                                                • jthomi
                                                  jthomi Moderator @ianshowalter last edited by

                                                  Oh, thats really interesting! And there are correct elevation data on the link with app.suunto.com instead on the sports-tracker site we have 0/0 for elevation data…

                                                  @ianshowalter said in Open source Movescount web:

                                                  @silentvoyager There’s a trick to bringing up that Suunto app web page of an activity that doesn’t involve sharing an activity in the app.
                                                  In your desktop web browser, log into sports-tracker.com. Then navigate to any activity of yours that you want to see the Suunto app web page for. Once you’re on the SportsTracker web page for your activity, replace “sports-tracker.com” in the address bar with “app.suunto.com” and hit enter. And boom, there it is.
                                                  SportsTracker and Suunto app web pages use exactly the same URL naming system for every workout: /workout/username/gobbledygook. They’re identical, and you just have to change the start of the URL.

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                                                    jeremymeyer @mfischer01 last edited by

                                                    @mfischer01 Yes, I want that as well (as software developer, I could do sort-out something)

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                                                      freeheeler @Guest last edited by

                                                      @noushad-amir
                                                      another spammer?

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